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Citizens split on mine issue

Discussion is nearly unanimous on preserving, expanding city's water supply

Posted: April 21, 2011 - 10:01pm  |  Updated: April 22, 2011 - 7:30am
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Members of the AJ Mine Advisory Committee listen to Bill Leighty give his public comments on the potential in a full Assembly Chambers Thursday evening.   Michael Penn / Juneau Empire
Michael Penn / Juneau Empire
Members of the AJ Mine Advisory Committee listen to Bill Leighty give his public comments on the potential in a full Assembly Chambers Thursday evening.

Editor's note: This article has been edited to correct the name of the CEO of the Juneau Chamber of Commerce.

Citizens packed the City Assembly chambers Thursday night giving divided opinions to the AJ Mine Advisory Committee. Two things are clear: Citizens are nearly evenly divided on whether the mine should be reopened, and the top concern for almost all is Juneau’s drinking water.

About 20 people testified against reopening the mine under any circumstances, while nearly the same number supported a mining project and a handful expressed concerns but no position. Most in favor of pursuing a reopened mine, though, wanted conditions placed on any company that would drill for gold in downtown Juneau. A few others expressed concerns, but not a clear position.

One woman, Michelle, who’s full name was not immediately available, said she was angry.

“When people talk about the legacy of our children, grandchildren — I am one of those young people that moved to Juneau because it is beautiful, because it is clean, because its safe,” she said. “Right now I just want to reiterate, for every person that sits in this room, there are 10 people sitting at home thinking about this, worrying about this. This matters to us. It’s not a small concern.”

Sarah Shane, a wildlife biologist, said she isn’t against mining but is opposed to reopening the AJ because it’s located downtown.

“It’s a lot harder to reverse damage than to prevent it,” she said. “... I am personally not willing to risk my water supply for this low ore body.”

Others said all the assurances in the world from mining companies will not prevent pollution and cited significant safety risks within the industry for not only miner safety, but also environmental and quality of life issues.

Guy Archibald, an ex-miner, analytical chemist and microbiologist, said 73 percent of mines end up polluting even with environmental assessment processes.

Carl Schrader, who worked for 10 years with the Department of Environmental Conservation in water quality, thought financial assurances would be key and proper bonding would need to be in place for the mine to reopen. He emphasized drinking water is the key issue.

“Mines do pollute,” he said. “Once they pollute, it’s difficult to control and takes a long time to control. Mines say they can do it right, but history shows us that is not the case.”

He said Greens Creek and Kensington have also had pollutant issues — Greens Creek in handling acid issues and Kensington with construction runoff. Schrader said both have been corrected, but that took time and it didn’t involve anyone’s drinking water.

Schrader said in order for them to move forward with a mine downtown, the city absolutely needs to develop a solid plan for a backup drinking water supply.

Those both in favor and opposed to reopening the mine advocated for developing an alternate drinking supply. Many suggested that a fully-functional backup drinking supply needs to be in place before any development of the mine can take place.

That backup supply would not necessarily be paid for solely by the company. Some suggested the city take the initiative since the water supply is naturally at risk and others felt both city and the potential company could work together.

Thane residents also spoke up, and while some were opposed to reopening the mine others said in order for it to be possible, the same water quality and quantity assurances need to be provided to its residents — who are not on city water and rely on wells.

In favor of redeveloping AJ, residents spoke up for bolstering Juneau’s economy and looking to the industry that founded Juneau.

Roughly the same amount of people said yes, the mine could possibly reopen — with conditions.

Fred Marino favored the mine saying it could employ 300-400 people during construction and 200 during operation.

He said Juneau should have a diversified economy. Marino said it is the duty of the city to pursue a viable mining company to develop the mine.

Cathie Roemmich, of the Juneau Chamber of Commerce, favored the mine and spoke on behalf of the Chamber.

She cautioned the committee on setting to many conditions, saying Alaska already ranks 50th in business development possibilities among U.S. states.

“It will be nearly impossible for anybody to have a desire to come and look at this project,” she said.

Roemmich further criticized committee member Laurie Ferguson Craig for her My Turn opinion piece in the Empire this week.

“It is wrong for a committee member to campaign against the project before the process was done,” Roemmich said. “I think it would be acceptable to remove that person.”

Roemmich said she couldn’t think of anyone who would intentionally damage the community. She said Juneau could be able to take great “pride in our community to be able to do a mine in downtown Juneau and do it right.”

Neil McKinnon, a long-time Juneau resident, suggested the committee’s conditions were too restrictive and didn’t feel any company would be willing to bite on a project. He said the city should develop a second water supply, and the economic details in the report should be clarified, but the rest of the conditions should be left to permitting and other regulatory requirements.

One resident said Juneau is a mining community and it needs to look at new mines if it wants to continue that segment of industry because the mines have a life span.

“The conditions I see here border on designing the mine,” he said. “The committee’s job is not to design the mine.”

• Contact reporter Sarah Day at 523-2279 or at sarah.day@juneauempire.com.

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luckygirl
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luckygirl 04/22/11 - 07:31 am
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Kathy Ruddy?

Ummm ... I do believe, Empire, this should be Cathie Roemmich from the Juneau Chamber of Commerce. And Neil MacKinnon is not a 39 year resident of Juneau; he was born here 62 years ago.

ruddys99801
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ruddys99801 04/22/11 - 07:40 am
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Correction

I was not present at the hearing-- the CEO of the Juneau Chamber is Cathie Roemmich:
http://www.juneauchamber.com/

madison89
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madison89 04/22/11 - 07:50 am
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Once again SEACC is

Unpublished

Once again SEACC is attempting to kill good paying jobs In Juneau, with baseless propaganda.
SEACC, there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out!

Mark_Trail
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Mark_Trail 04/22/11 - 07:53 am
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Any more corrections?

Come on, Empire! Should readers have to question whether or not every named person in the article was correctly identified, or if so, if what they said was correctly reported?

Abby Lowell
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Abby Lowell 04/22/11 - 07:55 am
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Re: Correction

All references to Kathy Ruddy have now been corrected. The Juneau Empire regrets the mistake.
In addition, I have adjusted the wording regarding how long Neil McKinnon has lived in Juneau. I have not been able to contact the reporter to verify her notes. Thank you.

AK_Jase
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AK_Jase 04/22/11 - 08:05 am
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Vested interests:

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Neil McKinnon the older brother of John McKinnon, who are also co-owners of the Hyak mining properties out the road?

And, - when John M. was the acting Commissioner of the DOT and Public Facilities, he pushed for the pioneer road out to Berner's Bay, which coincidentally led directly to his family's mining interests out at the Julian Mine. And, doesn't AEL&P have a significant interest in the AJ mining properties, and isn't Tim McLeod (the President of AEL&P) on the Board of Directors for the Juneau Chamber of Commerce?

I read Laurie Craig's article and found it thoughtful and well-written. I can see though, how for some, it might fall under the category of an "inconvenient truth". I personally found her concerns quite legitimate, and I have a mining background from years ago.

sefisher
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sefisher 04/22/11 - 07:58 am
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I did not know about this

I did not know about this meeting and I am against the AJ mine. Also how much money is being spent yet again for this study?? Does anyone know.

Madison ??? once again you comment is unfounded, Juneau has jobs for those who want one.

ruddys99801
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ruddys99801 04/22/11 - 08:00 am
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Thanks for Making Correction

Thanks Abby!
I did not go to the hearing, but I guess I should have!
Kathy Kolkhorst Ruddy

luckygirl
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luckygirl 04/22/11 - 08:06 am
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Agree with madison89

SEACC is again trying to muddy public opinion and stooping to new lows, using children as pawns in their ads. And madison doesn't say there aren't jobs in Juneau now, but SEACC's actions are trying to kill new well-paying jobs that the AJ would provide. Jobs that might encourage people to move into our community and strengthen our economy.

al97ct
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al97ct 04/22/11 - 08:19 am
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Neil McKinnon is part owne

Neil McKinnon is part owne and Board Member of AELP
AELP does own AJ mine (at least half of it). And yes the President of the Chamber of Commerce is also the President of AELP. Also assembly member David Stone is a Board Member on AELP.

Mines are in fact PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARDs and they certainly do NOT belong in the middle of our town, regardless of any concerns about our water supply.

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 08:29 am
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I agree completely. SEACC is

I agree completely. SEACC is a perfect example of a conservation that group that is so radical and egregious that anyone with a reasonable logical thought process abandoned them a long time ago. Its a group of people doing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can to put people out of work. Im pro conservation balanced with development. I dont support all development projects such as ANWR (mixed feelings but not totally against) and Pebble, but I support Kensington, Red Dog and other groups for example.
Alaska is a resource rich state that is dependent on Federal subsidies and spending. SEACC fails to comprehend our need to develop our economy and sustain ourselves. Yes they are extremely guilty of pouring disinformation into public forums, posting outrageous propaganda, and straight up lying to the public about the facts. I respect peoples right to disagree and give logical reasons but when they lie to the point they discredit themselves and have no integrity whatsoever. SEACC attacks developers for their environmental image and polluting but they have a pretty shady image for polluting the public opinion with their own garbage.

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Milspec. 04/22/11 - 08:40 am
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The sky is falling:

Sure there are jobs, if you like under paid employment. You could drive a cruise bus, flip burgers, and stand on the street with some sort of tourist sign. All I ever here is how the jobs in Juneau don’t pay enough. Now here’s a chance to create high end employment and it will just help other business in town. I agree with you Madison, SEAC can leave Juneau. Go screw up some other city, some where in California comes to mind.

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haily 04/22/11 - 08:45 am
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This is not about SEACC and

This is not about SEACC and we do not have a job problem in our state. The folks here using SEACC and jobs in their argument for the mine, are doing so because thats all they have.

Then you have people like Niel Mckkinnon making comments about regulations and conditions being too restrictive?? oh lord here it comes, give me a break Niel! Because these regulations and conditions are what protects the Public from abuse. People died before EPA regulations were put in place to protect the public, this is why we have reglations.

I also did not know about this meeting and I am against the AJ mine.

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 08:51 am
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Pretty much anyone...

.... who supports SEACC must be a SEACC member or is paid by SEACC. They have multiple handles for the one person and they all post disinformation with different names to present the appearance of broad public support when its only a small handful of people spending hours and hours posting with multiple usernames.

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 08:47 am
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Hally = SEACC

Hally = SEACC

JNUFFWC
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JNUFFWC 04/22/11 - 08:54 am
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SEACC

SEACC puts the NO in Juneau again.

Move the capital.... build the road... make Juneau a better place...

haily
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haily 04/22/11 - 09:04 am
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Raven - I do not work for

Raven - I do not work for SEACC. I think comments like yours should be deleted because you are bashing a business in town that provides good jobs in our community and this business also works to protect our environment and the public from those who are willing to abuse the systems put in place to protect these things.

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 09:08 am
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HAHAHAHA and SEACC doesnt

HAHAHAHA and SEACC doesnt bash good businesses? have you been reading other posts here?! I am NOT ALONE! SEACC has built their own bad image with bad PR and propaganda tactics READ ALL THE OTHER POSTS OF PEOPLE that think SEACC is bad for Alaska

Sapolsky
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Sapolsky 04/22/11 - 09:09 am
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Heh - SEACC has really gotten

Heh - SEACC has really gotten up your cracks, it seems.

Do you have nightmares of the e-e-e-evil SEACC monster under your beds? See it lurking around every corner?

Or is it just a focus for simple minds incapable of understanding complex issues?

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momzilla64 04/22/11 - 09:09 am
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I have to wonder what happened to Grim?

He/She used to be right in the middle of stuff like this.

I also believe a mine can be a good thing, when properly regulated.

momzilla64
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momzilla64 04/22/11 - 09:11 am
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Sorry

posted twice on accident

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 09:13 am
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yeah nice school ground

yeah nice school ground antics Sapolsky-reminds me of when I saw taunting jerks like you get their grill smashed in. Maybe you need that to happen one day. Yeah and making sarcastic comments is a mature way to open discussion about complex issues. Any day you wanna debate buddy,,,, bring it

Milspec.
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Milspec. 04/22/11 - 09:22 am
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Ravenhouse:

I saw nothing wrong with you’re comment, the one that Haily thinks should be deleted.
What you wrote is very much true, it goes to show you what people, like Haily will do when the truth breaks out. The true colors will shine every time.

catandmouse
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catandmouse 04/22/11 - 10:01 am
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Niel Mckkinnon is also

Niel Mckkinnon is also president of the First Things First Foundation. This is the group that brought in the movie "Not evil just wrong", a movie against the idea that man has everything to do with our climate changing.

Cathie Roemmich, of the Juneau Chamber of Commerce is also on the First Things First Foundation web site as co-author of a letter to the EPA in support of relaxing water regulations so that the Mining Industry can dump their toxic waste in lakes as long as the waste is described as "fill material". This group of people does not care about the environment; all they care about is money. Shame on every single one of them, they are all about and for what is truly evil in this world.

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 09:30 am
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You dont have to be a super

You dont have to be a super smart to see that the same users post on all the environmental issues and its pretty much the same people that all post SEACC propaganda. I'm sure some of them are individual users, but I suspect its SEACC trying to muddy the waters.

As much as bad corporations deserve their image because of bad environmental track records, SEACC deserves its own bad image for spin on the facts. They make a living off of putting hard working people working REAL jobs out of work.

catandmouse
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catandmouse 04/22/11 - 09:36 am
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and to think Cathie Roemmich

and to think Cathie Roemmich has the gall to state that she thinks Laurie Ferguson should be removed from the committe. This just shows the "type" of people that are working for the Chamber of Commerce and what these people are willing to do to our town.
Good Lord, talk about the evil in Juneau.

From the above artical:
"Cathie Roemmich further criticized committee member Laurie Ferguson Craig for her My Turn opinion piece in the Empire this week".
“It is wrong for a committee member to campaign against the project before the process was done,” Roemmich said. “I think it would be acceptable to remove that person.”

ravenhouse
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ravenhouse 04/22/11 - 09:41 am
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I agree that we do have

I agree that we do have something to do with climate change. It is a cycle, and we are freight training the cycle with our energy use and such. That kind if denial frustrates me too. Thats why I feel we need to develop responsibly.

trinity
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trinity 04/22/11 - 09:47 am
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Thank you! I just read that

Thank you! I just read that letter at FTFF web site here:http://ftffoundation.org/index.php?section=14
I think there needs to be an investigation here so the public can really see whats going on and just who stands to gain from the AJ mine; things look very seedy.

trinity
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trinity 04/22/11 - 09:57 am
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FYI Juneau - So. It looks

FYI Juneau - So in short. Members of the Chamber of Commerece will work to have people removed from key positions in our community that speak up and about health risks in our community. Wow.

nottacheechako
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nottacheechako 04/22/11 - 10:21 am
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Scare tactics

You have to admit the scare tactics that SEACC and other radical environmental groups have used the past 25 plus years have benefited them very well....to heck with the truth and facts, the end result is the name of the game for them. Stop all development, treat animals and trees better than fellow human's, and lets get the population levels down to pre-1950's numbers....thats what is really all about.

None of us want to harm our drinking water and damage the environment...WE LIVE HERE. So many SEACC staff come and go with the wind and have zero roots in this town or region and with their million dollar budget, they have plenty of time and money and lawyers to play the game.

PS, Laurie Ferguson was Bruce Botelho's ace in the hole, she should never have been appointed and I for one am very pleased that the Chamber called a spade a spade and called for her removal.

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