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Neighborhoods divided on Mendenhall Peninsula sewer extension idea

Posted: November 16, 2011 - 1:05am

The Mendenhall Peninsula area of Juneau is one of the remaining neighborhoods in the borough’s service area that doesn’t have sewer service. In rough polling at a public meeting Tuesday night of about 100 people, opinions were divided.

About two-thirds of the people attending the meeting lived in the Fritz Cove area, while 1/3 lived in Engineer’s Cutoff.

The city hasn’t drafted any formal plans for sewer service extension, however the engineering department is tasked with gauging the neighborhoods’ desires. City Engineering Director Rorie Watt explained the complications and issues involved with potentially expanding sewer service.

Watt said extending the sewer system is rather expensive and the project would likely cost at least $14 million. The challenge with the Mendenhall Peninsula area is the topography. People living on beachfront property would have to purchase and maintain pumps because gravity systems would not be feasible. People up the hill would typically only have connection costs.

Watt said another issue is, traditionally, the Assembly increases zoning designations in areas with Local Improvement District upgrades. That would mean this area — which is zoned D-1 and has a fairly rural feel — would likely be rezoned to D-5 to increase the number of residents. This increases the amount of revenue the city earns as more people hook up to the sewer service and allows them to pay off the investment.

Watt said this type of development also tends to trigger more development of undeveloped land.

“Typically people are happy with the zoning of their neighborhood and typically happy with the level it’s built out,” Watt said. “Sewer extensions to collect money and offset operations and maintenance costs, we need lots of customers. We need a density. In the existing neighborhoods you have some nice large lots, which means not very many customers. Extension to sewer is likely to trigger land development. For a tax purpose it’s a good thing.”

He said it’s also good because property values are lower for more purchasing and development opportunities.

“For immediate neighborhoods that can be particularly unappealing,” Watt said.

Watt was asked if the neighborhoods said “no” if the city would go ahead anyway.

“I don’t think so,” Watt said. “There’s a lot of issues with sewer extensions. It costs a lot of money. If the neighborhood said its not interested, you probably won’t hear from us.”
Property owner cost in LID’s is typically low. The most recent project, Watt said, the cost was about $2,600 per property, though the amount for a project here would need to be estimated and negotiated with the Assembly.

Cost to a homeowner who has to purchase a pump goes up by at least $3,500. Connection costs also are incurred, which depend upon where the home is in relation to the property line nearest the hookup. People also would have to decommission their existing service.

Watt said this would not require a new treatment plant because the new Mendenhall plant has the capacity to handle the waste.

One man asked if this was an “all or nothing” issue — where if the majority of people overall said no then it wouldn’t happen — or if it depended upon the location. Watt said it would be possible to limit the extension. Another asked if they could design it so that people who are not downhill can connect but those on the waterfront would have the option (they would need to pump to connect). Watt said that could be another option, but the likelihood of an exception being made may not be good since the city code says that once the city extends sewer to an area, all properties must connect. Watt said the city has chosen to not spend its resources in policing sewer systems outside of its own service.

“It’s local government, local decision making,” Watt said. “It would be unusual, but I don’t know.”

Watt was asked about a timeline and “next steps.” He said the timeline is very rough and everything depends upon neighborhood response. If the answer is an “overwhelming no,” then the issue is likely to die. If the answer is mixed or a more clear “yes,” then engineering develops the project a little more and works with the Public Works and Facilities Committee and Assembly.

Also, if it’s a “yes,” funding is the other element. In the past the city has gotten significant grant funding, however Juneau isn’t remotely high on the list for funding ­— rural communities and Anchorage are. The city would seek voter support for part of the 1 percent temporary sales tax.

Neighborhood support wasn’t clear in straw-polling conducted by Watt. He asked simply if people supported sewer — with no other qualifiers. About half raised their hands. He asked the opposite question and got about the same amount of hands. He asked if there was support for sanitation improvements, but not extension of sewer services — again half and half. Watt asked if the group supported higher development in their neighborhoods — laughter was his response with no raised hands. Watt expected that.

He also asked of those supportive of sewer, if they would be willing to pay a higher percentage to not have their property rezoned. Fewer were supportive of sewer extension in that scenario.

One man had testified that with the city’s change in the land use code, higher density than the area is used to is already allowed. If the city rezones with the sewer expansion that density would dramatically increase.

• Contact reporter Sarah Day at 523-2279 or at sarah.day@juneauempire.com.

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kpawsuh
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kpawsuh 11/16/11 - 08:42 am
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Septic really doesnt work

Septic really doesnt work that well up here theough. Those beachfront houses? Runoff into the water. It might be slightly filtered by the septic, but still. Ever wonder why hardly anyone clams around town? The extension is needed and the extra room to expand is needed. Just do it. Those fat cats that dont want to break up the huge lot can pay for it. Otherwise, subdivide andgive someone a chance to build their dream.

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jsslt3 11/16/11 - 10:56 am
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As someone who was raised on the Peninsula...

...the issue isn't so much as the cost of hookup if this plan goes in...it's more about the increase of housing units. My family purposefully purchased their land in the area so they wouldn't have to worry about neighbors being right on top of them, or too much traffic nearby. If the sewers go in, any empty lot has the potential to be divided into thirds. Right now, you cannot build any closer than 50 feet to your property line, forcing a minimum of 100 feet between any two houses. If that part of the zoning goes away, then the highly-coveted privacy goes with it...which is what many of the property owners paid high prices for.

AKNUT
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AKNUT 11/16/11 - 12:28 pm
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Wildlife

I'm sure the wildlife was disappointed to see their land subdivided too.

Those that want to maintain privacy can purchase the adjoining lots.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 11/16/11 - 12:58 pm
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@kpawsuh: the danger of

@kpawsuh: the danger of clamming actually isn't our fault. Sewage runoff doesn't help, but PSP is caused by toxins produced by certain dinoflagellate and algae species, which builds up in filter feeder tissue and kills a couple people every few years.

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bridgelet 11/16/11 - 01:01 pm
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FAT CATS?!?!?!

Are you kidding? Are you calling the people that live on Engineers/Fritz/Mendenhall Penn, FAT CATS?? There is no reason what-so-ever to call the residents that. I grew up down there and never ever met anyone who was over the top, well to do. We were/are regular folks who take pride in what they worked hard to obtain. There are some real concerns with this proposal. We've all been dying for sewer service for decades. But now we're being told that having such a luxury will compromise what those residents have worked so hard to maintain. Because of that hard work, those residents are a REAL community with people from all financial backgrounds. People who lend what they have to their neighbor with no questions or concerns about something in return. Maybe people should stop with the class warfare around here and start looking at the PEOPLE. Besides, the CBJ won't do a thing unless it's in their financial best interest. That's what it really comes down to.

skirkz
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skirkz 11/16/11 - 01:11 pm
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Pay for your crap...

Like everybody else. And quit expecting everybody else to boat through it a watch it float through our community. This is not a third world country. And just think, we all get to help pay for the infrastructure. It might even put your neighbor to work.

kpawsuh
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kpawsuh 11/16/11 - 01:19 pm
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Common everyday folks with

Common everyday folks with million dollar waterfront homes.

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Latitude58 11/16/11 - 01:30 pm
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costs

If the residents in that area are willing to pay the full cost of the infrastructure, then I don't see why the zoning should have to change. However, some residents won't be able to afford it w/o dividing the cost among more people. And other property owners are going to like the idea of being able to subdivide their property for more $$.

Welcome to living in a community.

AKNUT
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AKNUT 11/16/11 - 01:32 pm
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Fat Cats?

What's a fat cat-you tell me? Juneau is ranked 9th in the nation per capita for millionaires. I imagine a few live in the area in question.

The question involves more than the people that live in the area. It also affects the users of the fisheries. I don't fish, clam or crab near the Fritz Cove because of the pollution from septic systems. I believe that most people don't properly maintain their systems which is all the more reason we should move forward with the plan. I believe if you ask most residents when they last had their septic tank inspected the great majority would say never.

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fisherwoman44 11/16/11 - 01:40 pm
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Septic

In Ketchikan, all residents are required to have their septic tanks pumped every year (it might be every two years). This cost is part of the property taxes. It is required by the city and borough. It helps make sure people who are strapped for cash or just lazy don't overlook this important step if they are on septic.
Every community deserves clean water.

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kflynn 11/16/11 - 03:31 pm
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fat cats

I am curious as to what most people consider a "fat cat"! I tend to think of the monopoly guy smoking a cigar, but i have yet to see him down that way!

I would guess that there are quite a few successful people that live on fritz cove rd. but i cannot hold that against them as i would be more than happy to live there. As far as pollution goes why dont some of you concerned citizens go down there and sample the water in front of each house report back here. Heck im sure we could use DNA to figure out exactly who the polluting fat cats are "treat" them accordingly.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 11/16/11 - 03:42 pm
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@kflynn: you'd have to have

@kflynn: you'd have to have DNA samples from each of the residents in order for that to work. Genetic sequencing is also not cheap, especially when trying to pull human DNA from dilute seawater (which I doubt would be feasible).

kflynn
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kflynn 11/16/11 - 04:11 pm
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you realize i was being a

you realize i was being a smart ass right? I really have nothing else to offer these forums so i go with what im good at....

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jnu-raised 11/16/11 - 11:15 pm
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To pump or not to pump that is the question.

First of all I would like to say I have lived on Fritz Cove Road most of my life and I moved here when Fritz Cove Road was dirt. I don't consider myself a fat cat but I do live on the beach and I worked hard all my life to build a new home and put a very expensive "sewage treantment" system in with all latest techonology. Mr. Watt with the city put on a very openminded presentation the other night and had some good points on both sides of the subject. I think the people are pretty well divided and both sides have a point. The problem I have is that puting a sewer line down the road and making 50% of the people buy an expensive pump that inevitably will fail, in order to pump sewage up a hill which could be 40 or 50 ft. of vertical lift is not giving you service. The City does not want to allow people not to hook up if sewer is put on Fritz Cove or Engineers Cutoff but the don't want to provide a reasonable service. The City allowed the new subdivison at Lena Point to have sewage treatment systems and have them maintained professionally why not here. I think the City should pass an ordance that says sewage treatment systems need to be inspected and made operational. At some point the City is going to have to say we can't bring a sewer line to your neighborhood. Will it be Fritz Cove or Amalga Harbor. Wouldn't it be cheaper to pass an ordance to require sewage treatment to be inspected and made to work everywhere so the entire bourough has decent sanitation.I think that would be cheaper than spending the 14 million it would cost to put a sewer line on the Mendenhall Peninsula That way the people that have good working systems don't have to suffer and those that don't have to do the right thing and take care of their problem.

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Tikitime 11/17/11 - 07:37 am
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I wonder if those folks on

I wonder if those folks on North Douglas has to have their zoning changed, or if they were given a choice to have or have not with the sewers. Since when is the city in the money making business with regards to utilities. We have been paying 1% sales tax for years to cover the cost of the sewer to all neighborhoods, not just high density ones. This is about clean water and a healthier city, put in the sewer and don't change the rules for these people if the rules didn't change for anyone else.

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