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3-vehicle crash briefly closed Mendenhall Loop Road

Posted: December 2, 2011 - 11:24am

Three vehicles on Thursday were involved in an accident near Stephen Richards Memorial Drive which shut down traffic on Mendenhall Loop Road for a short while, police say.

At 3:40 p.m. Thursday, Juneau Police Department received a report of a crash involving three vehicles with possible injuries, according to a statement.

Capital City Fire and Rescue arrived on scene to evaluate drivers for possible injuries. There were no medical transports.

Meanwhile, officers closed Mendenhall Loop Road between Dudley Street and Stephen Richards Drive for about 45 minutes as the vehicles were blocking traffic heading towards Egan Drive.

The police investigation determined that 56-year-old Juneau resident Naomi Vakauta, driving a brown Honda van, drove out of a residence’s driveway on Mendenhall Loop Road to turn left. She entered traffic on Loop Road and was crossing a lane of travel and the turn lane. Another driver in a green Ford truck, Joshua Zeller, 37, had the right of way and attempted to swerve out of Vakauta’s way, but could not. Vakauta’s van struck the front passenger side of Zeller’s truck.

Then, a third vehicle driving on Loop Road heading towards Egan Drive was also hit by Vakauta’s van. The third driver was a 66-year-old Juneau woman driving a black Subaru Legacy. She had tried to stop in time but couldn’t.

Vakauta was cited for negligent driving, and Zeller was cited for driving while his license suspended. His truck was impounded. Police didn’t release the name of the 66-year-old woman driving the third vehicle.

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BubbRubb
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BubbRubb 12/02/11 - 12:07 pm
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Women Drivers - No Survivors.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 12:11 pm
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And yet, statistically, women

And yet, statistically, women are better drivers than men.

Could it that you're adhering to a sexist stereotype that has no basis in reality merely to protect your fragile male ego?

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akbrdguru 12/02/11 - 12:20 pm
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I'm sure you have stats to

I'm sure you have stats to back this up PP. Do those stats also mention that there are more male drivers than female drivers? Wait until our numbers even up. To be fair, I don't think women are bad drivers just because they're women. It's just that I can't recall the last time I got rear-ended by a guy putting on makeup.

MikeDziuba
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MikeDziuba 12/02/11 - 12:25 pm
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Men are clearly the best drivers

...in Saudi Arabia (women aren't allowed).

Laughter and outrage; such is being human. Sigh.

Mike

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 12:26 pm
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@akbrdguru: oh, thanks for

@akbrdguru: oh, thanks for telling me and all the statisticians that there are more male drivers than female ones! That changes our results considerably, because we're just too stooooopid to deal in proportions rather than gross numbers.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=788126

Yeah, men are less safe drivers than women. I thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps you don't own a vehicle or don't have it insured. Insurance companies base your premium on your risk, and surprise surprise, men pay larger premiums than women.

Great job invoking another sexist stereotype, though. I'm sure all women apply makeup while driving. But on the flip side, all men get road head while driving, right? Or text while driving. Or get all butt hurt when someone tries to pass them and succumb to road rage.

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Milspec. 12/02/11 - 12:57 pm
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Sad, agree with PP

I hate to admit it but I agree with PP on this one. However it is hard to do. In the last 20 plus years here in Juneau I have been rear ended no less then 4 times. Each of which was a women driver. Just last year a young girl ran into the back of my truck, in front TMHS I saw her coming with cell phone glued to her ear. The sad thing is I was at a complete stop.

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Banditrider 12/02/11 - 01:37 pm
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2 cents

I'm a big Danica Patrick fan but I must agree with the other posts. As an avid motorcyclist, all my close calls have had a female at the wheel, normally very young. I think guys are good at daily driving, but come Saturday night, the tables turn.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 01:56 pm
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It seems you fellas know

It seems you fellas know better than the thousands of statisticians who are employed by insurance companies to investigate this sort of thing. Perhaps you should offer your services? I bet you'd make bank.

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laurenh 12/02/11 - 02:41 pm
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I hate to go against my own kind but...

I don't know how you can keep insisting on this statistician stuff when people are giving real life examples. Do you believe all statistics that you read?

I really have no opinion about which sex drives better or worse. I know people of both genders that suck at driving.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 02:51 pm
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@laurenh: Do you understand

@laurenh: Do you understand that statistics are made up of large numbers of individual experiences? And yet you think more information is less valuable than less information?

Let's see: if I take a random sample of, let's say, a million people, half women and half men, and find out that 50,000 men were involved in a traffic accident and 35,000 women were, that indicates men are more likely to be involved in traffic accidents. But oh! Someone got hit by a woman twice in his life! I guess that disproves my theory, because that certainly is outside the realm of possibly being coincidence!

I once read this statistic that said women were equal to men in intelligence. Then I met this really dumb girl. Good thing I managed to disprove that statistic--otherwise I would have been misinformed for the rest of my life!

I also heard that cats can't talk, but on "America's Funniest Home Videos" there was this cat that was clearly talking.

And I once read that you have a 50/50 chance of flipping heads or tails on a coin, but I managed to flip heads three times in a row! Explain that, you smarmy statisticians and your "analysis."

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spiff 12/02/11 - 02:52 pm
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Anecdotal versus statistical

Anedoctal information is an example of someone's experience. One cannot extrapolate that information to say that it is representative of the whole - in other words, one person's experience (or even 3 or 4) does not necessarily represent reality; it only represents that person's experience.

Statistics represent what happens in a general population. That means, although a person's individual experience might differ, the reality is what most people (a statistically significant majority) experience.

Don't you find it interesting the PP is the only one to have an acutal citation representing actual research and everyone else simply has a story of what happened to them personally? Do you think insurance companies are so stupid they won't do what's in their best interest and charge higher premiums to those who are statistically worse drivers?

Honestly, it doesn't seem like this is something one should have to explain to supposed adults; but after watching a few hours of cable news, obviously I'm the one with the skewed view of reality.

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TheEmperor 12/02/11 - 03:51 pm
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Statistics, you say?

Since Persnickety seems to like statistics, let me share a few of my own personal experiences:

In 1999, I was forced off the road and into the grass on I-95 by a woman who entered the Interstate from the right and went across 3 lanes without even signaling.

In 2006, my car was totaled at an intersection by a woman who failed to yield. My insurance wrote off the car, and I got a replacement.

9 months later, the replacement car was totaled while parked in front of my house. A woman passed a pair of parked police cruisers and was looking over her shoulder to see if they were following her, when she swerved into my car. My insurance agent wasn't amused.

In 2008, while parked at a gas pump, a woman talking on her cell phone backed into my car, in spite of my repeated attempts to alert her by honking my horn.

So 100% of the accidents I've been involved in were the fault of a woman, and that's not even counting the close calls and near misses. I've never been nearly hit by a man talking on his cell phone, but I have had to slam on my brakes or swerve out of the way of a woman who was doing just that. I've never been nearly rear-ended by a man putting on makeup, but that happened to me in the turn lane by the hospital. I don't really care what some number counter in an office somewhere, looking at a bunch of papers says. I feel I have had enough life and driving experience to decide for myself.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 03:57 pm
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@TheEmperor: well, I guess

@TheEmperor: well, I guess that's the difference between you and smart people, then. I bet I can find people who have the exact opposite experience that you have. It's pretty foolish to think your experience is the end-all, be-all of reality. Pretty arrogant, too, not just in thinking you know better than those with much broader data, but in thinking your extremely limited experience is representative of the experiences of billions of people.

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Colorado14er 12/02/11 - 04:15 pm
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C'mon Juneau Empire, holding

C'mon Juneau Empire, holding up my post because I included "bad" words (that were already used in a previous post) or because I was trying to provide a link backing up my quotes? Lame.

I tried to say hey, ladies, at least you don't live in Saudia Arabia, where they've decided that allowing women to drive "would cause rampant sex, porn, and homosexuality, according to some of the country's scholars."

And if the ban was lifted, within 10 years there would be "no more virgins" in the country.

Whew.

laurenh
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laurenh 12/02/11 - 05:10 pm
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I just don't think you can

I just don't think you can tell people their view of their own experience is wrong based on your statistics. You might as well tell them it didn't happen at all and to stop crying about it. How about instead of trying to prove to everyone through your numbers, you prove it to us by just being a good driver. And I say instead of accusing women we accuse the teenagers! :)

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Sacrifice 12/02/11 - 05:24 pm
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Statistics?

PP's statistics may indicate that men get into more accidents than women, but it does not state that women are safer drivers than men. More likely, what is actually happen are that men, in order to avoid reckless women drivers, are forced into situations that cause accidents.

Maybe the Saudia's have the right idea.

And laurenh - it is always acceptable to blame teenagers!

spiff
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spiff 12/02/11 - 05:25 pm
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Disappearing posts

I posted something about anecdotes versus statistics, it showed up after I posted it and now it's gone. I don't think I used any adult words that might offend someone ... but who knows.

Laurenh, despite (or because of) PP's condescending tone, you really missed the point of his post, as did TheEmperor. Just because you've had a personal experience doesn't make that representative of the entire population's experience. Statistics show what's happening with the majority of a specific population; based on that info, we can discuss probabilities and make better policy calls (aka decisions). Unless you believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, then your post makes absolute sense.

I've been rear-ended twice and both times it was a male driver. Once a young guy and once an older guy. What does that tell us about which gender is generally the better driver? Absolutely nothing - just like all the anecdotes above.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 05:30 pm
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@laurenh: I don't care about

@laurenh: I don't care about people's own experiences as far as explaining reality goes. I'll continue to tell them they're wrong until people wise up and realize they aren't the sole authority on what's real--the issue is that people are, by and large, stupid and uncritical thinkers who prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than take the time and effort to find out the facts.

It's extremely lazy to see an event and then assume that's the norm. And in this case, it's also sexist. How often in articles about accidents involving 3 male drivers do you hear about how men are such bad drivers? Never. Because there's no sexist stereotype about our driving. Nor are there sexist stereotypes about irresponsible things we do in the car on a regular basis (and I have NEVER seen a woman apply makeup while driving, so perhaps these guys up above are being rear-ended repeatedly by the same woman).

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passerby 12/02/11 - 05:44 pm
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Hi Persnickety

You are really living down your name today. Hey, the HUMOR of the comments IS that it's 'sexist.' Statistics may be real and true (but then, they may not) but stories about all the people getting hit by bad women drivers are just that -- stories about what people have experienced.

Lighten up a bit, will ya? We aren't always at each other's throats in Juneau, even though it might LOOK like it.

All I know, is there are alot of manics on the road here, both sexes.

laurenh
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laurenh 12/02/11 - 05:56 pm
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I agree with passerby. Maybe

I agree with passerby. Maybe I'm being naive, but I think the very first comment that started all of this was a joke. And if people are for the most part stupid, then I'm not sure why you're engaging in these discussions at all. It's probably just giving you high blood pressure.

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BubbRubb 12/02/11 - 06:19 pm
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Funny

Thanks, it was a joke!

I'm glad someone has a sense of humor around here. Obviously Persnickety does not. She probably drives her 93 Subaru Legacy down Egan doing 45 in the fast lane and gives the stink eye to anyone that passes her.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 12/02/11 - 06:26 pm
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It's a sexist joke, based on

It's a sexist joke, based on the idea that women are inferior drivers. Ha ha. How funny! It's funny because women have been the butt of jokes for millennia! And that is funny, too.

And I'm a guy. Way to go assuming I'm a woman just because I didn't find your stupid joke funny, though.

BubbRubb
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BubbRubb 12/03/11 - 02:05 am
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@PP

Thanks for explaining my joke I guess...?

I actually read your previous comments and gathered that you were most likely a guy, so when I called you a she I was making another sexist joke about your probable driving habits and vehicle of choice.

Just to be safe, you probably want to stay in the right lane.

GoYaffa
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GoYaffa 12/03/11 - 06:59 am
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just because you're a guy

doesn't mean you're not a bit...

overly sensitive. C'mon, take a joke.

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AKjustice 12/03/11 - 08:24 am
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Did anyone notice...

that the accident description was incomplete as the direction of travel for the second vehicle was not disclosed? It seems that Naomi may have been inbound. Also, did she hit Joshua with the front of her van or did she back out into traffic and hit him with the rear end? Frankly, the lack of detail is all too telling as it is really more the norm with the JE's reporting ability than the exception.

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IceQueen 12/03/11 - 09:36 am
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I am a female driver and at

I am a female driver and at times a female pedestrian. Both sexes have bad drivers. A man driving by himself w/o passengers is more considerate to those sharing the road with him and more likely to stop for you so you can cross the street. A woman driving by herself w/o passengers is more likely to cut you off, flip you off or try to hit you when you cross the street.

However, if a man is driving and he has others in the car/truck with him, his behavior changes because he feels the need to impress those in the vehicle with him and becomes a jerk.

A woman who has passengers in her vehicle becomes more considerate and patient because she wants to impress her passengers with her caring and concern.

Human Nature, funny thing.

Oh, and for my two cents worth;

Teens shouldn't be permitted to drive until they are OUT OF THEIR TEENS and people over 70 should be tested ANNUALLY for their driving/alertness skills.

TheEmperor
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TheEmperor 12/03/11 - 09:59 am
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@Persnickity

You'll feel MUCH better once you get those panties untwisted, really.

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gandercall 12/03/11 - 11:55 am
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Whiners unite here!

I can't believe you people have nothing better to do than argue about which gender are the better (or worse) drivers. Why don't you do us all a favor and volunteer somewhere where your good nature will be a blessing to someone?

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skirkz 12/03/11 - 03:07 pm
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statisics

Cite them. A link. Something substantial and verifiable.
Statistics show that if you mention that statistics show something, you have an even chance that someone will take it for fact. In fact, you can get the same odds by starting a statement with the word "Fact" or even "Studies show".
PP? Care to cite your insurance/law enforcement data base for reference?

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onder 12/03/11 - 08:06 pm
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Wow hard to believe

that any one has proof of what gender is a better at driving. If you find a person who tells you they are a great driver and never make mistakes you have just met a liar.

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