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Alaska pushes ahead with Juneau road extension

Posted: December 18, 2011 - 1:20am

The idea of a road link to Juneau has been around at least as far back as the administration of Gov. Jay Hammond. It has been knocked down by lack of funding, a lack of interest and, most recently, legal action. However, the idea always seems to find new life.

Some see it as a road to greater Juneau prosperity, an alternative to air and sea links in an isolated community, as an extra degree of freedom. Some see it as redundant to Southeast’s existing marine highway system. A half-billion dollar boondoggle susceptible to avalanche, landslide and destined to wreck environmental havoc.

Earlier this year the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a injunction by Federal District Court Judge John Sedgwick that has prohibited all work on the road project since 2009.

The Circuit Court decision left Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities and the Federal Highway Administration with a few choices. Re-do the original enjoined Final Environmental Impact Statement, appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court — with little chance of being heard — or drop the project altogether.

The state and federal agencies chose to supplement the final EIS and continue efforts to make the road a reality. The state and federal agencies announced in September that they will begin that process.

The supplemental EIS will look into, among other things, an option to use existing Alaska Marine Highway Service in lieu of a building a new road. However, a press release from Gov. Sean Parnell gives the impression the state is determined to build a road.

“Governor Sean Parnell has directed the Alaska Department of Transportation and Public Facilities to move the Juneau Access Improvements project toward construction,” the release read.

“The Juneau Access project is a critical infrastructure project for Juneau and Southeast Alaska. It’s time to move it ahead,” Parnell stated in that release.

DOT Director Reuben Yost said his agency and the federal government have asked HDR Inc. to complete the supplemental EIS along with some changes to the enjoined final EIS.

“There are a few changes on the ground,” Yost said. Some eagle’s nests and sea lion haul-outs have changed locations. And HDR will look and see if the size of vessels the Alaska Marine Highway System owns is appropriate, he said.

“The supplemental EIS will also address changes in applicable laws, regulations, and approvals,” according to the Juneau Access Project’s website.

HDR owns four locations in Alaska, including one in Juneau. The award-winning firm’s portfolio includes work on the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge and the Port Mann Bridge in Vancouver, British Columbia.

In addition to transportation infrastructure, the Omaha, Neb.-based firm has provided planning and conceptual design, among other services, for projects such as the Beijing International Medical Center in Lucheng City, Tongzhou District of China.

Supplementing and updating the EIS is expected to take about two years — with a draft release in late 2012 and a final release planned for mid-2013. The supplement will still have to go through the same process as the original EIS — a draft supplemental EIS, public comments, and a final EIS addressing the preferred alternative, Yost said. If the state has a preferred alternative they must reveal it in the draft EIS.

A newsletter describing the process will be distributed to all postal addresses in the project area as well as inserted into local newspapers, according to the Juneau Access Project website.

The National Environmental Policy Act’s section 102(2)(C) requires the completion of an Environmental Impact Statement for proposed major federal action “significantly affecting the quality of the human environment”. An EIS is a tool for decision making. It describes positive and negative effects of such an action and lists alternatives.

“Nothing can happen on the project until that is remedied,” Yost said.

Yost said the state will continue to pursue the road due to its finding that Juneau, Skagway and Haines have unfulfilled traveler needs.

“The state’s position is that the problem hasn’t gone away, so we still need to deal with that problem,” Yost said. He said he doesn’t know if there has been a conversation between federal government and state about not doing the project.

The state’s preferred project would shorten travel time between Juneau and the upper Lynn Canal communities of Haines and Skagway by building a 50.8-mile road from the end of the existing Juneau road system to the mouth of the Katzahin River, from where a new ferry terminal would be built to connect to the two nearby cities.

Yost said the new terminal would be serviced by multiple ferries each traveling the dozen or so miles to Haines and Skagway several times a day. Eight round-trip sailings to Haines each day with the Skagway route running six short shuttle runs, Yost said.

Even with a new terminal up north, there is no risk that Juneau would lose its Auke Bay terminal, Yost said. Ferry service from the south would not change. Routs to and from Pelican, Angoon, Hoonah Gustavus, Sitka and Petersburg would turn around in Auke Bay, Yost said. However, northbound traffic would leave from Katzahin River. There would be little or no ferry traffic north out of Auke Bay.

Part of the supplemental EIS will cover changes in costs since the last estimate came out in 2009. The estimate for the state’s preferred alternative came to $470 million.

“I don’t think it is going to change much,” Yost said. He said he expected a small rise due to inflation and other factors.

In the last several years “costs were going up, then dropped and are now leveled or are rising slowly,” Yost said. Fuel costs and employee wages have gone up.

The McDowell Group listed the road’s potential benefits to Juneau in the final EIS. The road would provide new construction jobs for three to five years, open up new access to Kensington Mine and potential mines along the route, business and recreational travel and lower costs for fishermen to ship fish, according to the firm.

Proponents of the road are organized under the banner of Citizens Pro Road. The group said it is disappointed in the governor’s decision, but they encourage their members to stay involved.

“CPR knows it is even more important than ever that you stay involved throughout the State supplemental EIS process by letting the state know you support the road alternative,” the group’s website states. The website points to mechanical troubles with AMHS fast ferries and ongoing mechanical issues with other AMHS ferries as reasons to build “a road — now.”

The pro road group in August asked the state to appeal the Circuit Court’s decision.

“We have been working through the process with five Alaska governors — going back to Gov. Walter Hickel’s administration — and after completing literally thousands of hours of public testimony, environmental assessments, and energy and economic impact studies,” said Sandy Williams, vice chair of Citizens Pro Road, stated in a press release. “The state’s preferred alternative to build a road from Juneau to Haines and Skagway with a ferry terminal at Katzehin, is sound, correct, and desperately needed.”

Building the road would provide Juneau with both short term and long term economic benefits that would help sustain the community well into the future, Citizens Pro Road member Paulette Simpson said.

“The state and federal agencies looked at a wide variety of alternatives to improve transportation in the region,” she said. “For SEACC and the other outside environmental groups to appeal the record of decision in the courts at the 11th hour with a trumped up alternative sets a bad precedent for all of the other work the state is doing in full faith to align itself with federal and state policy,” Simpson said.

The lawsuit that eventually resulted in the project’s injunction began shortly after the federal government released a Final Environmental Impact Statement in April 2006. The United States Forest Service and the Federal Highway Administration were in charge of the FEIS.

In August of that year, the Southeast Alaska Conservation Council, or SEACC, and five other plaintiffs filed a complaint in U.S. District Court.

“The complaint alleges the USFS failed to comply with the National Forest Management Act and (Federal Highway Adminisitration) failed to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act, the Bald Eagle Protection Act, the Endangered Species Act, and the Administrative Procedures Act,” according to the Juneau Access Project’s website.

The district court sided with the plaintiffs and ruled the state and federal EIS “did not include an alternative that would improve transportation in Lynn Canal with existing assets,” according to the Juneau Access Project website, the existing assets being those of the Alaska Marine Highway System.

“We’re hopeful the governor will take a fresh and fair look at all the options for transportation in upper Lynn Canal, including improvements to the ferry system,” said Dan Lesh, SEACC communications and sustainability director. “SEACC and others have identified a number of flaws in the state’s previous study for the road, including what we saw as inaccurate traffic and demand forecasts, among other issues,” he said.

Lesh said SEACC will follow the process and submit comments when the time comes.

SEACC will address “the flaws we identified will help ensure that taxpayer money is spent wisely,” Lesh said.

The push to build new Alaska Class Ferries is encouraging, Lesh said.

“The governor has been supportive of building new Alaska Class Ferries, including in the capital budget he recently submitted to the Legislature,” Lesh said.

Though officially not part of the Juneau Access Road project, Alaska’s DOT has begun upgrade construction that would extend the road.

Winter has put construction on hold on a project to widen and improve a three-mile stretch at the end of Glacier Highway out to Berners Bay. Though opponents of the Road have considered the construction as part of the project, Judge John Sedgwick, the same judge that upheld the injunction, found that the two projects were not connected, according to Yost.

“We sent a motion to the judge and the judge ruled that the project is not associated with the (Juneau Access Road) project,” Yost said. “It had its own EIS that the Forest Service did and had a different purpose. The reason we went back to that judge because, we wanted to make sure that the judge didn’t have a problem. We didn’t want to wait until we started to find out the judge saw it as the same project or found us in contempt,” he said.

Yost said the three miles of construction would not have much of an effect on the overall cost of the Access Road project.

“With numbers as big as the JAR, saving a couple million on the construction ... will drop those costs a little bit, but not much,” Yost said.

• Contact reporter Russell stigall at 523-2276 or at russell.stigall@juneauempire.com

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Ratfishtim
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Ratfishtim 12/18/11 - 07:58 am
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There they go again, or A billion and counting

The road may or may not be a wonderful project since it is now a road extension to a ferry terminal 50 miles away rather than a road to Skagway.

But DOT is making 2 mistakes, first by announcing that it is going to build the road project prior to the draft EIS being initiated.

And second by saying things like “I don’t think it (the cost) is going to change much.” If a project was pegged at $470 million in 2009, and the EIS will not be completed until at least 2013, there will be more than a "small" increase in costs in that 4 year period, not to mention the additional years after the inevitable legal challenges. After all, DOT itself estimated the project at $258 million in 2006 and $350 million in 2007- and the Federal Highways estimate in 2009 was $491 million- not the state's $470 million. And the lawsuit on DOT's EIS was filed in 2006, a decision was made in 2009, and the state lost an appeal in 2011.

DOT will have a much greater chance of success if it would stop deliberately lowballing the cost of the project and start providing reasonably accurate projections of what it will really cost. Yost and gang at DOT have deliberately avoided getting estimates for mitigating the 112 geological hazards, including 38 "Class A" hazards, identified in Phase 1 of what was to be a 3 part geotechnical study by Golder Associates. That study, commissioned by DOT, raised "serious concerns about the safety of the road in terms of potential rockfall, rockslides and landslides."

In 2007, Yost admitted that final designs are "years off" and would have to wait until after further geotechnical studies are complete. He also stated: "The department has made the decision that until the lawsuit is resolved, we are not going to spend further state funds on further geotechnical work or further designs."

Well, the lawsuit has been settled, but the state has not completed further geotechnical work, namely getting good estimates on what it would cost to mitigate the 38 class A hazards. Why, because Yost and DOT know that hundreds of millions will likely be added to to the overall project costs.

Finally, with DOT officials running around the state telling everyone that significantly less federal money is going to be available for state transportation projects- a problem that will only grow worse with federal spending reductions to deal with the deficit, DOT will need to explain how the billion dollar Juneau road project is more important than the roads to resource projects being advocated by the governor and more important than fixing the huge backlog of maintenance projects on existing roads.

onewolf38
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onewolf38 12/18/11 - 08:07 am
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BUILD THE ROAD!!

BUILD THE ROAD!!

UseYourBrain
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UseYourBrain 12/18/11 - 08:18 am
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Be Informed

Here is a full YouTube walk-through of the proposed route. Inform yourself about the specifics before taking a position:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fai9UT8ZRrk

billb
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billb 12/18/11 - 08:24 am
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ROAD

Invest all that $$$$ in petter ferries and forget the road! Most of the people in Haines DONOT want the additional traffic.

bigdan57
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bigdan57 12/18/11 - 08:30 am
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Road

What a boondogle. This is a road to now where. It's a worse idea than the bridge to Gravina Island. That was in fact a pretty good idea, getting easier access to the airport in Ketchikan. Is there any one still in SE Alaska who complained that the Japonski Island bridge in Sitka was a "bridge to no where"? I'll bet not. Every major high way bridge ever built could have been considered a "bridge to no where". The road is a terrible idea, would be almost impossible to keep open in the winter, and what type of vessels are going to be built to shuttle vehicles as big as tractor/trailer rigs across one of the nastiest bodies of water in SE Alaska? They would have to be at least as big as the Leconte, and there has been many instances of them being turned around in Lynn Canal.

bigdan57
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bigdan57 12/18/11 - 08:33 am
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road

I agree with you billb, spend the money on new ferry's. Why build a road to no where, and still have to spend millions on a couple of shuttle ferry's that are large and sea worthy enough to handle big rigs and the weather in upper Lynn Canal in the winter, much less the expense of maintaining the road and keeping it open in the winter.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/18/11 - 08:44 am
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Return on Investment?

Really now. How may of you actually believe that this road will only cost $470 million?

When are government cost estimates EVER right? Look at any recent State road building project and you see gross cost overruns. Even a simple, straight-forward project like the Egan Drive Walmart overpass ended up costing nearly double what they were originally projecting.

The Juneau Access Road is many orders of magnitude more complicated, and there are significant unknowns regarding it. For instance, there still hasn't been a complete geotechnical study performed, which tells the engineers what type of rock formations they'll need to design for. They don't even have the exact route laid out.

This is a classic case of sticking a low-ball cost estimate on the project, then, once we're in the middle of it and fully committed, they reveal that it'll cost twice as much. Think Big Dig in Boston. I'll bet you a billion dollars that this project will end up costing...a billion dollars.

But hey, a few deep pocket interests in town will get really rich because of it.

OK - so we can be pretty sure that the investment is going to be a lot more than is being stated. How about the return?

I don't dispute that the road will be cheaper to operate than the fast ferries, nor that it will cost travelers less. But that hardly is worth a billion dollars. Where, exactly, will all of that economic development come from?

I would expect to see a whole bunch of RV's clogging up the roads in the summer - yippee! Maybe a few Canadians coming down to drink our beer - that's fine, I like Canadians. The Skagway and Haines crowd will come to Costco.

Will our goods and supplies be shipped in via truck? I doubt it. Barge shipping is a lot cheaper than truck shipping.

C'mon, admit it. This is really just a road to recreation. And if it shuts up the incessant whining from the snow machine and ATV crowd, it might just be worth it. But I do find it interesting that the 'small government', 'fiscal conservative' republican crowd is the biggest proponent of this massively expensive government pork project.

Despite all of my criticisms above, I'm not adamantly opposed to the project. If the state government is hell-bent to spend money on this project, so be it. I plan to be first in line to drive it.

But let's just be honest about why we want it, and how much we're willing to pay. And what will we sacrifice as a result?

AKjustice
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AKjustice 12/18/11 - 08:45 am
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Build the road

I don't care what the people of Haines want. Juneau, its citizens and businesses need the road. We are too isolated and in the event of future fuel cutbacks allows us a route to the world.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 12/18/11 - 09:05 am
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can't

We can't build it, we don't need it, it will only bring in youth gangs & grannys in their RVs loaded with pot & oxy to poison our children. Besides the ferrys are so dependable & now able to transport livestock & exotics at an affordable rate (how many gph do they consume)all while putting money into state coffers.
makes no sense to waste taxpayer monies fighting endless lawsuits arguing bogus stalling techniques. So no roads a good road, better, bigger boats are the answer. Now if we could only make them solar powered

kneejerk
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kneejerk 12/18/11 - 09:10 am
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A route to the "world"?

AKjustice, the trail head for a route to the "world" is the Juneau International Airport. The 90 miles from downtown Juneau to the Katzehin River will only get you just that far. For all practical purposes, the "world" will consist of Haines, Skagway, Haines Junction, and Whitehorse.

concerned
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concerned 12/18/11 - 09:23 am
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SEACC should be blamed

The initial EIS wasn't found to just be deficient because it failed to address increased ferry service it was founf deficient because it didnt look at increasing ferry service by redeploying ferries to Lynn Canal that currently serve other communities.

So SEACC wants the State to take ferries from PWS, villages or the Aleutuan chain to redeploy to Northern Lynn Canal. This is what the deficiency was about.

This is a ridiculous requirement and should be attacked by every viaalge now served by the ferries. SEACC want to steal your ferries just to prevent the road.

Shame on you SEACC.

PattyB
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PattyB 12/18/11 - 09:32 am
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Lots of drawbacks, no REAL benefits

The reality of a road to the Katzehin making it any easier for Juneau people to drive to, say, Anchorage is just ridiculous. Alaska should spend a huge amount of money to build and maintain a highway so people can spend 16 hours each way, most of it driving in Canada? Buying Canadian gas to do so? Sleeping in one of a dozen hotels/roadhouses on the way? Where is the economic boost? Also, the ferry provides an efficient intermediate service between barge and road for all the tractor-trailer traffic between upper Lynn Canal and Seattle that allows for a seasonal adjustment and flexibility that is necessary here. And the building of the road would lead to elimination of ferry service so any of us who want to come to Juneau without a car would just be out of luck. I went to Juneau half a dozen times without a car since April and would not have made any of those trips if not for the ferry. Driving that distance alone, and paying for the connecting ferry to carry my car, just would not have been affordable. The risk to life and limb to build or use this road is also just not worth it. And to force every Alaskan to share state highway maintenance funds and for such limited use and benefit is just crazy. For all of us making our way from Haines by ferry to use a jet to do holiday travel, tough luck, I guess. Driving an avalanche-prone road would have to be in the equation, likelihood of missing the flight very high, leaving us far more isolated than Juneau-ites are on any day now. This is not a practical solution. Too many people in U.S. thinking cars are always the only way to go is one of the reasons why we have congestion, pollution, and huge fuel consumption now.

alaskabobc
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alaskabobc 12/18/11 - 09:38 am
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The natural order of things.

The sun rises, the sun sets. You pay taxes, you die. Roads are built! End of story (Except for the one guy who DIDN'T die) that is a quiz, who was he and your first guess is probably not correct.

colossus70
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colossus70 12/18/11 - 09:39 am
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PLEASE!

I agree with you akjustice, islandhopper, we already have drugs here, road is not going to bring in new problems,your points are week and feeble, and those CRAPPY fast ferries are a complete joke and waste of money and can not handle southeast waters.

clearcut2sea 12/18/11 - 09:47 am
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Why include SEACC?

SEACC scum buckets should be disallowed from using the road as it provides access north.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 12/18/11 - 09:54 am
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think

One more thing to think about is all the carnage this road will cause. Squirrel homes up rooted, families torn asunder. Only being able to reunite by risking their lives crossing that asphalt gauntlet, dodging those 2,4,6&18 wheeled death sleds driven by the devils minions striving to fulfill their masters commands. Not to mention those SEACCers that will undoubtedly crash trying to avoid above mentioned squirrels while their Subarus with kayaks firmly attached to the top race past echo cove searching ever searching for that unspoiled launching spot so they can wash away the filth of our over developed society.

channelview
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channelview 12/18/11 - 10:09 am
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Good article Russell

Well written and factual. The current EIS has been underway since 1993 and it is ridiculous that environmental groups and the Knowles administration has been able to manipulate the facts and add distortions. I see that nobody has crawled out from under a rock to say that avalanches are going to knock half the cars in Juneau into Lynn Canal. Later today probably.

Tom_Mattice
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Tom_Mattice 12/18/11 - 10:12 am
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The Road

What about the costs of plowing and maintaining the road... What about avalanche conditions or avalanche control...

Do you think the ferries on the Haines end running 8 and 6 routes a day will pay for themselves??

We simply cannot continue to build things we cannot afford to operate or maintain...

As for as "traveler needs" give me a break... how is it I NEED something I have never experienced... I NEED air, food and water... the rest is optional!

I think the amazing thing right now is they are building the road... like it or not... they are spending your money and putting in more road... and will continue to do so... they are simply using other terms and justification... NO NO>. were not building a road to Haines... were just extending a road that will never go anywhere... ;) Really... Give me a break.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 12/18/11 - 10:21 am
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tom

Glad you've got everything you need Tom, so just turn around when you get to nowhere errr I mean echo cove. But keep in mind nowhere used to be auke bay, so maybe that's where you should hang that u turn

caryos
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caryos 12/18/11 - 10:29 am
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Whatever...

Unpublished

Whatever! I'll believe it when they start building it, this craps been on the books for about 40 yrs. now an all it is, is Bull*&^%#.

islander
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islander 12/18/11 - 11:07 am
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5 months of tourist use

Basically no more tourist are not going to start driving to Alaska in the seven months of September through March just becasue they'll have a quicker drive from the new terminal to downtown Juneau. Nor can you expect a huge addition to the tourist when the rest of the overall ferry system serving Juneau is pretty well booked for the April through August season. It would seem fairly unlikely the increased tourist travel due to this road extension could every generate a minimal part of the increased cost for keeping the new road open year round and operating more ferry trips per day. .

So tell us once again where all this increase in ferry traffic to and from Haines is going to come from on a year round basis.

joegeldhof
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joegeldhof 12/18/11 - 11:25 am
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Cubs Win World Series!!!

Free Lunch! Supersize the Road Now. Tastes Great & Less Filling. Freedoms Just Another Word for More Places to Drive.

Really, why did a conservative judge appointed by a supposedly conservative President with the approval of the Republican delegation decide the Department of Transportation bungled the EIS from a legal point of view after spending years and years and years studying and getting ready for a likely challenge in court that everyone paying even the slightest amount of attention to this proposal knew was coming?

Juneau should start having bake sales to help pay for the partial road up Lynn Canal. Doughnuts for Access will get this project done.

Foltoper
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Foltoper 12/18/11 - 11:47 am
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if the state has this kind of

if the state has this kind of money to spend then it should be spent in a way to benefit more Alaskans.

All Alaskans need cheaper heating bills, even SE Alaskans and we need to lower our emissions.

SE needs to see an investment in Geo-Thermal Wells and or an Intelligent Grid System, there is an assortment of alternative energies available, we just need the infrastructure to be built.
We could have Geo-Thermal Wells built in our neighborhoods. If the state will build a road for the mining companies then the state can invest in Geo Thermal Wells for Alaskans.

SE also needs a new state office building
Much of our existing road systems is falling apart, and Alaskans need safer cross-walks

There are better ways to use these funds.

timeinmemorial
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timeinmemorial 12/18/11 - 11:55 am
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Build a ferry terminal at Cascade Point in Berners Bay

and we can shorten the route to Haines and Skagway this summer! DOT can also evaluate how much fuel the State will save that is currently wasted between Berners Bay to Auke Bay. This temporary ferrry terminal alternative saves traveler time, fuel for ferries, and should be able to get commitment from all sides...today.

For too long, some interest groups have pitted ferries against roads with "stall by study". This is backwards thinking and self serving (isolationalism). Instead of pitting the community against each other...the thinking should be how can roads and ferries can be integrated to save DOT, the taxpayer and the citizens time and money and how we can sustain them. A road is much more cheaper to operate and maintain (and has a longer service life) than any ferry ever will.

The Ferry System is going to be bankrupt or require substantially more subsidies when diesel hits $7.00 or $8.00 a gallon (it will happen). With redistricting and loss of representation...that task is going to become much harder to fund and maintain our current, much less an expanded ferry system. We need to plan for the day that oil money runs out and how our combined ferry/road system can be made as efficient and cost effective as possible.

Building a ferry terminal at Berners Bay would provide a stop gap measure (improves current service and saves the State money) that all sides should be able to agree on today. At least the majority of us can get better service to Haines and Skagway while the minorities argue about a road versus ferries.

Foltoper
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Foltoper 12/18/11 - 12:02 pm
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empire is not posting my

empire is not posting my comment so here is a second try:

I just think if the state has this kind of money to spend then it should be spent in a way that benefits more SE Alaskans

We need lower energy & heating bills for Southeast Alaskans!
The state should use this money to pay for Geo-thermal wells in our neighborhoods and invest in an intelligent grid system so SE Alaskans can start moving towards and using the alternative energy sources available to them.

I believe this "Road Extension" only benefits a few people in town that have interests in mining.

billb
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billb 12/18/11 - 12:03 pm
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Foltoper

WELL SPOKEN, AND SO VERY TRUTHFUL

timeinmemorial
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timeinmemorial 12/18/11 - 12:14 pm
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Build a ferry terminal at Cascade Point in Berners Bay

This temporary terminal would provide immediate fuel savings and improve service with faster turn arounds between Haines and Skagway.

Instead of pitting the minority isolationists and ferry mongers against road proponents against each other in the decades old road versus ferries argument and "stall by study" game...we could build a Cascade Point ferry terminal and have better ferry service this next year.

Also, can Joe Geldof or any other smart person tell me what are these new ferries going to cost when diesel fuel hits $7.00 or $8.00 a gallon (it will happen) while state revenues decrease? Any road will be a bargain then and hopefully the continued and projected rise in the cost of fuel (over the life of a ferry) will be added to the socio economics of the EIS. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that when the Taku entered service...bulk diesel was less than $.50 cents a gallon.

Perhaps roads and ferries should be integrated to provide cost effective sustainability because with redistricting...new ferries and continued ferry system operational subsidies are going to become harder and harder to fund. I'll predict that we will hit $7.00 a gallon for diesel fuel before Joe's beloved Cubs win the World Series

timeinmemorial
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timeinmemorial 12/18/11 - 12:14 pm
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Build a ferry terminal at Cascade Point in Berners Bay

This temporary terminal would provide immediate fuel savings and improve service with faster turn arounds between Haines and Skagway.

Instead of pitting the minority isolationists and ferry mongers against road proponents against each other in the decades old road versus ferries argument and "stall by study" game...we could build a Cascade Point ferry terminal and have better ferry service this next year.

Also, can Joe Geldof or any other smart person tell me what are these new ferries going to cost when diesel fuel hits $7.00 or $8.00 a gallon (it will happen) while state revenues decrease? Any road will be a bargain then and hopefully the continued and projected rise in the cost of fuel (over the life of a ferry) will be added to the socio economics of the EIS. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that when the Taku entered service...bulk diesel was less than $.50 cents a gallon.

Perhaps roads and ferries should be integrated to provide cost effective sustainability because with redistricting...new ferries and continued ferry system operational subsidies are going to become harder and harder to fund. I'll predict that we will hit $7.00 a gallon for diesel fuel before Joe's beloved Cubs win the World Series

timeinmemorial
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timeinmemorial 12/18/11 - 12:19 pm
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Empire is editing comments?

Comment system must be broken...or selective.

timeinmemorial
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timeinmemorial 12/18/11 - 12:20 pm
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Empire is editing comments?

nope, just broken

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