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JSD may get rid of spring break

Posted: January 10, 2012 - 1:02am

The Juneau School District Board of Education may eliminate spring break for the 2012-13 school year, according to a proposal the board will take up tonight.

The proposal to axe the March break is to give a full week of instruction before the Standards Based Assessment tests, and consequently would end the school year a week earlier. A second proposed calendar includes spring break.

Aside from those differences, other changes include having no school during any level of parent-teacher conferences to avoid confusion (this year elementary and secondary schools have different dates and therefore different days of no school), and early release Mondays are on hold for next year pending a McDowell study of teacher feedback.

In other business, the board is expected to approve a fiscal year 2012 budget revision, ultimately adding $65,000 to the year-end fund balance. It also is expected to approve an adjustment in the food service budget, which has a $93,000 fund balance from 2011 remaining. The district proposes to take $63,000 and transfer it to Juneau-Douglas High School for activities. The rationale is that Mac's Cache was a student activity and the school fund suffered losses for that activity until it was taken over by food services. This would be a one-time reimbursement payment. The remaining fund balance would be shifted into the 2012 food service fund balance.

The board also will take a final look at success indicators proposed last month. The indicators identify seven areas the district wants to monitor and includes a list of measurement instruments, data reporting, responses to data and accountability for each section.

Tonight’s meeting is scheduled for 6:15 p.m. in the Juneau-Douglas High School library

For a full agenda and related documents see: www.juneauschools.org/board/meetings/packets.

• Contact reporter Sarah Day at 523-2279 or at sarah.day@juneauempire.com.

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Jack Smith
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Jack Smith 01/10/12 - 08:09 am
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JSD School Board

Every time I think they have done something as dumb as possible, they amaze me with something like this...

Second High School
Next Generation
Increase in Grad Requirements
No Spring Break

Fits with the existing pattern....

orionsbow1
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orionsbow1 01/10/12 - 08:27 am
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McDowell again

Its seems like the McDowell group is getting a lot of CBJ money lately. Phone surveys and now teacher feedback. I wonder how much this study is costing.

cathya
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cathya 01/10/12 - 08:37 am
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JSD School Board

I'm wondering why they even need a "spring break". They've just had a two week break at Christmas. What are these early release days for, the kids or the teachers? I don't get it. It seems like the children are out of school more than in school. I see them wandering around all over town during school hours. They get off for "in service training" for the teachers, parent teachers confrences, two weeks at Christmas, Thanksgiving is a couple of days, spring break a week...when do they have time to learn? Maybe if they were in school more they wouldn't have to have special instruction for the Standards Based Assessment Tests.

Photonut
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Photonut 01/10/12 - 09:00 am
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Eliminating spring break is

Eliminating spring break is the dumbest idea yet. Go ahead, my kids will be gone a week in March anyway. Adding a week to the summer isn't the bonus that they act like it is.

arbitrary squid
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arbitrary squid 01/10/12 - 09:19 am
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c'mon, no Spring Break but

c'mon, no Spring Break but instead a week of study for standardized tests? This is not going to be received well.

What school doesn't have Spring Break? From New Years to summer with no time off? No Mexico, no Eaglecrest?

Bad idea

ggcrackers
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ggcrackers 01/10/12 - 09:27 am
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Cathya

You'll love this then: the proposed calendar also gives the kids a full week at Thanksgiving.

Ak_Mom
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Ak_Mom 01/10/12 - 09:50 am
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it's for the staff not...

Just my opinion but seems to me the schedules are more and more to accommodate the staff & teachers not about what is actually good for the children and to help them succeed.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 01/10/12 - 10:07 am
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Yeah, well, maybe if society

Yeah, well, maybe if society had its priorities straight and actually treated teachers with the respect they deserve they wouldn't need extra time to catch up on their work.

Seems to me a lot of people are so clueless as to think teachers just talk in front of a classroom for a few hours and are then done for the day.

Alaska49
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Alaska49 01/10/12 - 10:14 am
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This is what I have to say...

In my opinion, early release Mondays are a waste. Those days are never truly used for what they are intended for anyway. Those "tenured teachers" need training the most. It's like they think teaching the same way with the same materials year-after-year is sufficient. It's not! It's lazy. They get stuck in a rut and are so behind the times and that is why so many kids are below average and AYP is not being met. It bores me to death that the older teachers love to say "canned teaching is dumb." Well, when I was a kid, it worked! This creative crap has got to go!

Spring Break right before testing is not a good idea - no wonder students are below average and schools aren't meeting AYP. Getting back into a structured routine is hard on kids - especially elementary kids.

I agree with CATHYA - kids are out of class more than they should be. Get them back in school and demand more from teachers.

Juno_Baby
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Juno_Baby 01/10/12 - 10:20 am
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Seriously?!

A week at Thanksgiving and then three weeks later, two weeks off for Winter Break?! Throw in the usually near monthly federal holidays and when are these kids supposed to learn so they can pass these mandatory tests?

Of the 284 days in a school year, kids only attend for 169 of them. I fall to see how forgoing Spring Break to shorten the school year helps these kids.

Early release Monday's are a joke. High School starting at 9:15 is a joke. The school district, generally, is a JOKE.

middleoftheroad
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middleoftheroad 01/10/12 - 10:21 am
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Teachers Don't Write Calendars

Many are assuming teachers write their own schedule. Ha! The district office does. There are teachers on the committee, but they are the low end of the totem pole. The parents and the JSD leaders are the people who carry the weight.
It sounds like the teachers are not sure about the early release days either --- otherwise the early release days would be included in the calendar and not waiting on a survey.
As a friend of a parent on the committee, I can assure you that the point of the calendar for next year is to have as many whole weeks as possible (5 day weeks)... and not have the little ones and bigger ones going different days.
Consistency is key.
Why don't you read the calendar before you spew out your gut reactions?

yellowflowers
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yellowflowers 01/10/12 - 10:36 am
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I think this is a good

I think this is a good idea.
This is free education, and for some kids the only education they will ever get.
Look at China, this is who are kids will be competing with.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 01/10/12 - 10:44 am
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@Alaska49: so on the one hand

@Alaska49: so on the one hand you're criticizing teachers for teaching the same stuff every year, and on the other for not using "canned teaching."

And then you say it worked fine for you. Heh. Good thing you didn't take one of those "creative" classes that teach you logical consistency.

daffy
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daffy 01/10/12 - 10:45 am
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Thank you Middleoftheroad

People - The kids will still be going to school the same number of days as always regardless of how the days are configured, though it might feel like more days to those of you who see kids wandering the streets as they will have less partial weeks to roam.

fisherwoman44
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fisherwoman44 01/10/12 - 10:46 am
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Spring Break

Thanks to the Juneau School District for trying to respect family's schedules and lives. Many families of elementary students were glad that the Inservice and Conference Days were the three days before Thanksgiving, so they could travel. I'm glad they are doing that again. It means that the teachers work those three days before Thanksgiving, but the rest of Juneau can travel or spend time with family, and it doesn't mess up any other weeks in late October or November.

If we're talking about things that take up too much time away from learning it's the Maps tests which my kids always seem to be taking!

swimmergirl
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swimmergirl 01/10/12 - 10:48 am
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pp - if teachers want respect......

Then they need to give up the idea that teaching is a part-time profession. Look, I'm an advocate of teachers. I hold a K-8 certificate. But the plain fact is that kids don't need to work the farm in summer any more. Yes, kids need some breaks. Yes, teachers need some time for professional development. Teacher collaboration (Monday release days) when done right is very effective. But if teachers want the respect they clamor for - they need to give up spring break - and two months of summer as well. Kids are in school more - collaboration and professional development time can be spread out more throughout the year, teachers could have regular paid 'office hours' for interacting with parents, creating lessons, grading papers. Then they wouldn't need to go in on Saturday to get those things done.

If teachers want to be treated as professionals, they need to treat their job as a profession - regular teacher evaluations, willingness to change their teaching style when research shows there is something better, using data to determine how kids are doing instead of anecdotal "I just know how kids are doing in my class" and a full time, year-round work schedule. Teachers at the top of the Juneau pay scale make $70-75 thousand per year - that's plenty of pay for a year round job.

sheqelim
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sheqelim 01/10/12 - 11:01 am
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Perhaps if we paid teachers

Perhaps if we paid teachers enough to stay more than 5 years, we wouldn't be constantly training them in inservices.

jodi
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jodi 01/10/12 - 11:04 am
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I like option B. Not all

I like option B. Not all families can afford to go to Mexico or Hawaii for a week in March. It can mean extra childcare costs for those who have to work while their kids don't have school for a week or kids that sit home unsupervised in front of their tv or gaming systems all day.

And no, not all school systems do Spring Breaks. Washington State has schools that do a mini-break 2x between January and May, but they also continue school thru late June.

A week off during Thanksgiving makes sense...conferences usually give them 3-5 days off anyway.

I would prefer a later start date, starting Sept. 1st and then ending May 31st, seems like good guide dates to me.

Kegaan
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Kegaan 01/10/12 - 11:05 am
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NO SPRING BREAK = NO GOLDMEDAL TOURNAMENT

NO SPRING BREAK EQUALS NO GOLDMEDAL TOURNAMENT, SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

Ak_Mom
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Ak_Mom 01/10/12 - 11:14 am
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real world?

I personally think kids are out too much and late days makes no sense. We should be getting these kids ready for the real working world and sleeping in and getting weeks off at a time is not it. Speaking about HS here mostly, but even in Elem & Middle school field trips take up a fair amount of the year so more official days of school wouldn't hurt anyone.

I have gotten lucky and had more amazing teachers than not through the years. Rebecca Farrell is a diamond in my opinion.
So I really don't have any bashing to do in regards to the teachers. But the system and schedule are ridiculous.

We need to get tougher on these HS kids and stop coddling their "want" not need to sleep in late and be lazy. They need to go to school early, get after school jobs if they are not in sports and go to school more not less.

They send out these e-mails and ask for parental opinion (and yes i sent in mine) but does JSD/School Boards even really listen? Most of what I see in posts, blogs and hear in the community is parents don't like the new HS schedule, we don't like early release and we want our kids in school more not less. But none of that happens, is that because they ignore us? or because everyone complaining in public isn't complaining where it counts, to the School Board?

As far as spring break or other holidays... I am the mom if I want my kids home for family time they will be. No school calendar will change that.

billb
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billb 01/10/12 - 11:59 am
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@Kegaan

You are SO right! The only reason there is is Spring Break is to accommodate God Metal.

Photonut
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Photonut 01/10/12 - 12:04 pm
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So high school has to start

So high school has to start at 9:15 so they can rest properly. But then they will run 90 days straight (pres day to 5/17) without a holiday.

These people need their heads examined. This calendar thing isn't that hard. Take a calendar, mark off the traditional holidays, figure out the start date count 170 school days forward and there's your end date. Ok, plug in the conferences and whatever else but in the end it's ain't all that tough.

Get rid of the freaking committee and give it to some admin clerk who will figure it out just fine.

alaskagrown
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alaskagrown 01/10/12 - 12:09 pm
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Educate Yourselves

I would venture a guess that very few, if any, of you that are opposed to the elimination actually attend any school district meetings, including Site Council or PTO meetings, or understand the rationale behind this. You would learn that there are very valid reasons for some of the suggested changes. A lot of the changes are at the suggestion of both educators and parents.
For those of you who continually complain about our school system, are you providing your input at any of the meetings? Please don't complain if you aren't voicing your opinion or listening to the dialogue and reasons for changes that are made on school matters such as this one. Your input is always welcome and you can log onto the school district website for times and dates of all meetings, which are open to the public.
I'm personally all for eliminating spring break. It costs too much to travel out of here for only a week. I think starting school earlier in the year and aligning the year so that the semester ends at Christmas break, rather than kids having to come back to a week and a half of finals after Christmas, makes even more sense. Starting school a week earlier in the year and having school get out a week later would even be fine.
My high schoolers are actually all for the plan to eliminate spring break - and would love to see finals before Christmas too. And by the way, the two high schools and increasing graduation requirements were smart moves. We were here during the transition from one high school to two and our younger children are getting a far better educational experience than their siblings.
As a sidenote, our children's lives and education should not revolve around the Gold Medal Tournament and the tournament should not dictate whether or not there is spring break.

Alaska49
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Alaska49 01/10/12 - 12:27 pm
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@Persnickety Persimmon

Canned teaching changes with the times to meet the needs of children as our world is forever changing. Using the same stuff every year doesn't. I know plenty of teachers who have pulled lesson plans from a file labeled "January" that they have been using for years so they can look prepared for this month. Obviously it's not working. "Specialists" and "Tenured" and "Specials" are a joke.

Juneau_baby has it right. It's all one big joke.

alaskagrown
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alaskagrown 01/10/12 - 12:32 pm
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Further....

WHY do some of your think that this is just the working of the administration or some "freaking comittee" that was concocted at the last minute for their amusement? This committee (of which I am not part of) has been meeting for weeks. It's not something simple that you just grab a calendar and mark days off of to come up with 180 days of education. There is mandated testing and other days that must be planned around. Photonut, if it "ain't all that tough," why don't you join the calendar committee next fall? I think you will be amazed at how much harder it is and could lead you to respect our teachers and school district personnel a lot more than you do.
The delayed start time, if I recall, was a trial. I'm not for it and don't think it's really working. I hope that will eventually go away.

alaskagrown
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alaskagrown 01/10/12 - 12:34 pm
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Further....

WHY do some of your think that this is just the working of the administration or some "freaking comittee" that was concocted at the last minute for their amusement? This committee (of which I am not part of) has been meeting for weeks. It's not something simple that you just grab a calendar and mark days off of to come up with 180 days of education. There is mandated testing and other days that must be planned around. Photonut, if it "ain't all that tough," why don't you join the calendar committee next fall? I think you will be amazed at how much harder it is and could lead you to respect our teachers and school district personnel a lot more than you do.
The delayed start time, if I recall, was a trial. I'm not for it and don't think it's really working. I hope that will eventually go away.

flensman
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flensman 01/10/12 - 12:42 pm
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I think parents just need to

I think parents just need to realize that there's a 75% chance their kid is as dumb as a rock (maybe 90% in Juneau). Send them to school long enough to learn to read and write and do enough math to balance their checkbook, then yank them out and get them an apprenticeship changing brake pads or being a sandwich artist. No reason to waste their time and our money prepping them for a college they're never going to attend.

Photonut
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Photonut 01/10/12 - 12:46 pm
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So because Alaskagrown thinks

So because Alaskagrown thinks it's too expensive to leave Juneau for a week, we should all just stay home and go to school. My family does frequently leave Juneau for that week and maybe an extra day or two.

If this is all about testing, move the test dates by a week.

This is about more than just the districts schedule, when they start making huge changes like this, they are messing with peoples lives.

Interested to see how much this costs people with kids in daycare in the summer to add that week.

How about the loss of revenue at Eaglecrest if they don't get that extra week. Gold Medal brings money to Juneau.

There's more to this than just deciding to make the summer longer. It has an impact on the community.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 01/10/12 - 12:50 pm
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@Alaska49: until you get to

@Alaska49: until you get to college, the bulk of what you learn does not change from year to year (and even then, not really). But I was more pointing out the inconsistency in your argument.

I'm curious to know what exactly constitutes this dreaded "creative" teaching, and why it's bad. If your argument is that "canned teaching" is good enough because you turned out all right, then I would counter that "good enough" is very unambitious and you are not representative of every person who goes into the school system.

When I was in 5th grade, I was a terrible student. When my teacher got "creative" and had us play a sort of strategy/simulation game where we colonized the New World, I learned far more than I did at any other time that year, and can still recall specific details about my team's voyage.

Calypso
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Calypso 01/10/12 - 01:01 pm
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You're not telling us you

You're not telling us you participated in an evil game of colonization, are you p?

Now I'm really depressed.

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