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JSD budget panel favors nurses, paras

Posted: February 1, 2012 - 1:24am

The Juneau School District Budget Committee heavily favored retaining nurses, para educators and many also focused on greater community interaction when the panel gave its opinion on the proposed budget cuts Tuesday night.


Proposed budget cuts include cutting six of 10 full-time nurses, replacing those nurses with “health assistants,” cutting para educator hours, increased Pupil-to-Teacher-Ratio, administration cuts, custodial and maintenance cuts and many others to meet a $3 million to nearly $6 million deficit.


Members of the public had a chance to share their feelings, and the committee members gave feedback on what they’d like reinstated — and what to either cut or how to fund that reinstatement.


“I would suggest that we continue using registered nurses in our district,” said committee member Laurie Berg. “I think we’ve had compelling testimony. Also I have heard compelling testimony at the Senate Education Committee. I don’t support moving to a different model.”


Most committee members suggested at least more understanding on how the proposed model would even look, while many wanted a retention in nurses over health assistants. At least two wanted to explore options with local medical organizations.


Berg wanted to see retention of para hours and special education funding. She said with her own review of the budget, there were $700,000 funds extra this past year, $800,000 the year prior. Administrative Services Director David Means disagreed with the extent of extra funds in that category.


“I believe we need to support some of the people in the district that are supporting those,” Berg said. “Looking at AYP (Adequate Yearly Progress) in those categories are the ones needing extra help.”


Board member Andi Story suggested keeping special education paraprofessionals as-is, and perhaps look at cutting special education mentors. Board member Barbara Thurston said she would like to find out more of what special education mentors do, and if it’s similar to what instructional coaches do they could possibly be combined.


Story said that the district has in the past had problems getting and retaining paraprofessionals, so she did not feel this is the time to cut their hours — effectively cutting pay and benefits — because she agreed that it would be likely that the issue of hiring and retention would pop up again.


Board member Mark Choate said that while the state appears to be viewing it’s budget as “half empty,” the district is viewing its own that way.


He said the committee members should also be spending a lot of timing looking for additional revenues and support.


“I believe our nurses are clearly necessary,” Choate said. “How come we’re not talking to SEARHC? Twenty-three percent of our student body is Native. I think we should use city buses. We’ve got buses sitting here 12 months a year, utilize those city resources and see if we can save some money. I think we should be recruiting more of our kids to come to school who are homeschooled. That is a huge resource. We should be doing something to attract them. Similarly, rural schools have done very effective programs to do online programs. Why shouldn’t we be the best in the state to provide those types of resources to our state?”


Choate said that for each area they look at cutting, they should also spend as much time looking for volunteer resources in the community to cover that loss.


“I think we have almost no volunteer program that’s being actively pursued and I think that’s wrong,” he said. “There is no reason why when we’ve got retired doctors, attorneys, professional tradesmen, journeymen from different unions, all of them could be utilized. I think we need to cut the activity budget. I’m the first person to push about increasing them. If we’re looking at access for our kids to travel around the state for sports, or to spend money on teaching in the classrooms… spend money in the classrooms.”


Others wanted to maintain the Pupil-to-Teacher-Ratio — two third-grade teachers testified that PTR increases last year meant their classes have 30 students — above the ratio for that grade level. The teachers said that raising the PTR further, coupled with cutting paras, means that having a class with 29 (or more with the increase) other students means your teacher may not get to you if you can’t figure out how to put a sentence together properly, or can’t add 2+5, because they are busy with assisting other students.


Committee member Rebecca Braun asked if they could look into AmeriCorp or VISTA programs. She recognized that one downside to those volunteer bases is that the volunteers are only around for a year — but those people could fill slots like library assistants, truancy officers, and other specialities the district is considering cutting or has cut.


Other members — and even some public — suggested increasing family activity fees and decreasing overall activity budget.


“I feel that’s a luxury we really can’t afford anymore,” Braun said. “Many families that would be willing to pay. We could have a sliding scale that would be done in a respectful way where we would not embarrass the families that are unable to pay.”


Parent Stephanie Allison said that the district went from having families pay perhaps a bit too much for activities to having them not pay enough. She said her son participates in music in the high school as a freshman and she is surprised that she doesn’t have to pay anything for travel — just food, which she would pay for regardless.


Committee member Michael Heiman, JEA representative and middle school teacher, suggested taking a closer look at increasing Yaakoosge Daakahidi High School’s numbers for additional state funding.


He said he sees so many eighth-graders come through that they know will have a hard time in traditional high schools.


Heiman suggested having a two-person team at Yaakoosge so that 8th-graders could join in and not have to go through the stress of going to a high school that doesn’t suit their needs. He said that should also pump Yaakoosge’s enrollment numbers above 175 (minimum for a certain bracket of funding) to gain another $700,000 to $900,000.


Committee members also advocated for the cultural education paras.


“It is a disservice to the community to forget that the majority of the people in this room were not the first people here,” said Board member Kim Poole. “Our students learn how salmon means something. They know the raven, they know the eagle.”


Committee members also advocated to retain maintenance and custodial resources. One member said that the district has spent $150 million to $200 million on building renovations over the past 20 years. He said that if they cut custodial and maintenance too far, taxpayers probably wouldn’t be too receptive to another remodel of the same building in eight years.


A Juneau-Douglas High School coach said maintenance absolutely needs to be improved. She arrived 15 minutes before her contract started this winter, slipped and broke her ankle in the JDHS parking lot. The sand trucks were delayed, and ambulances couldn’t get in because of the conditions. She had dog blankets placed over her from her truck and eventually a tarp so that the sand truck could plow around her. She said it was an absolutely mortifying experience and she couldn’t be in the classroom for a period of time. She said staff and student safety — even down to proper maintenance — shouldn’t be sacrificed.


Superintendent Glenn Gelbrich will come back with a revised proposal at the next meeting, which will not include public testimony.


• Contact reporter Sarah Day at 523-2279 or at sarah.day@juneauempire.com.

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glasseye
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glasseye 02/01/12 - 07:59 am
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Cuts

The administrators who came up with the proposed cuts didn't
seem to see any need to cut administrators-what a surprise.
That's where the real savings is-the high salary people who don't spend one second in the class room with the kids. The nurses are a luxury we can't afford. The nurses offices are mostly just a hang out. If there is a real emergency they call 911.

Photonut
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Photonut 02/01/12 - 08:32 am
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I disagree, at least in the

I disagree, at least in the elementary schools the nurses are invaluable. I can't say enough good things about Nurse Luann at Auke Bay, she does a fantastic job.

middleoftheroad
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middleoftheroad 02/01/12 - 09:17 am
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Eliminating nurses a ploy

I finally looked closely at the budget copy that a friend had at work... I think "eliminating nurses" was a ploy to get the loud parents of allergic kids, etc. all riled up and people shocked and worried so the district could "rescue" the nurses... at the super-low cost of $194,000.
That's peanuts.

But hey, everyone blew their wad screaming about it and now no one will pay attention that the only administration cut was a person who was retiring anyway, and now my kids' class sizes are going to explode.

Who cares that this third grade teacher will have 30 kids half of which have non-involved parents who think Xbox is more important than reading...?
I'm sure she'll figure out a way to change every one of their worlds even with a huge classroom, less help, and unsupportive community people who are ready to jump down her throat and blame her when some kid doesn't graduate after his parents never mention the word 'study' at home.

I like the cutting Activities idea -- that's a HUGE budget - Bigger than nurses. Maybe the Director of Blah Blah can retire, too, and we can get back a million bucks for kids.

AKjustice
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AKjustice 02/01/12 - 10:31 am
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Private education is an answer

The legislature is working on a voucher bill. This holds real promise for our children's future. It will develop alternative forms of education with smaller class sizes that better fit the needs of out children. It will also make it possible for teachers to actually teach our children. Much of public education is just too expensive and needs to be pared down to a more workable level. It is painfully obvious that more money is not the answer. Pay cuts and merit pay are options as well as cutting school transportation costs. Children should attend the schools of their neighborhood.

droog9000
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droog9000 02/01/12 - 10:35 am
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Road

If we build the road, kids can go to school in Skagway.

Banditrider
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Banditrider 02/01/12 - 10:49 am
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Cutting at the small

We need nurses for the injuries and other illnesses that occur. If not anything, for the liability issues. Nurses pay for themselves in preventing mega million dollar lawsuits for improper medical care. A lot of JSD's school buildings are approaching the end of their economic life so we need maintenance. I know salaries and benefits are the biggest expenditures. Keep the foot soldiers and get rid of some majors and colonels.

AK Mom2
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AK Mom2 02/01/12 - 11:52 am
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What a joke

This article and what is happening in our district reminds me of the old joke about the business that grew from the hard work of laborers. After years and years of hard work they hired more admin and eventually fired all their hard workers and were left with only the admin.

The blood is being sucked out of our children and our families via way of our educational system. Our teachers are being forced to do it to keep their jobs because the administration and the school board is making them do it.

1. Instead of teachers being allowed to teach the basics, they now teach tolerance, non-bullying, sex education, and how to exercise properly and how to eat an ever changing opinion of the proper food pyramid.
2. Instead of being free to put their stress and effort into their work teachers now have to worry about losing their jobs, angry parents, stupidity of politics interferring in their jobs.
3. Parents on the other hand, have to deal with the stress of the teachers having to teach this crap and the stress of not being able to teach what they were taught to teach in college.
4. Parents also have to deal with their children being bullyied, and sexually harrassed in schools due to the new enlightenment they are presented with due to the new curriculum. My own daughter has been withdrawn this last semester due to ongoing sexual harrassment. She is in the 5th grade. The teacher and the principal was clueless how to change the classroom environment.
5. Parents in this district have to deal with their principals telling them to drive safely in the snow while the city refuses to plow the sidewalks,while students are forced to walk in knee deep snow climbing over high snow banks to get to the button for the crosswalk light, because the district is too cheap to have buses for one entire middle school, all the while seeing their students walk in the traffic lane because they are a little too smart to walk in knee deep snow. But that is ok because the priniciple of the school wants to call this "challenging".

Here is my plan. Fire all the admin. Keep all the teachers and let them teach what they know to teach. Keep the nurses with the money that is left over. Your so called "lack of money" makes me sick.

AKjustice
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AKjustice 02/01/12 - 01:39 pm
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@AK mom

Right on!!!!

quick-shot
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quick-shot 02/01/12 - 02:01 pm
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Fire the admin!

Agreed AK Mom!

If none of the admin showed up for work one day the children would never know.

What if none of the teachers showed up?

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 02/01/12 - 02:29 pm
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I'm sure all the teachers

I'm sure all the teachers would be able to get along just fine without the functions administration performs.

In fact, I'm willing to bet the whole concept of administration can be thrown out the window, because obviously groups of people are entirely capable of organizing themselves efficiently and accurately without any problems whatsoever. Yes sir.

I love how whenever something is inefficient or bloated, be it government, school administration, or medical care, there is always a group of people who thinks we should just do away with it altogether, as if it serves no other purpose than to get in the way of other people's jobs.

Chelsea_S
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Chelsea_S 02/01/12 - 02:42 pm
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Please make your voice heard

I see multiple comments here supporting the idea of getting rid of administrative staff first and foremost. I am in total agreement!

Here's the thing: you've got to MAKE SOME NOISE. Go to the budget meetings and state your case. Send an email to . CC: it to the school board (all of them simultaneously) at . Write a letter to the editor.

It's absurd that we're losing janitorial staff, elementary specialists, paras, nurses, and so on - people who directly affect students and the teachers' ability to teach - while we're keeping incredible numbers of admin people employed. And to do what? If we know what they do maybe this would look like something other than the director of admin looking out for his flock and cutting everything else, and a school board who will simply rubber stamp his suggestions instead of asking the tough questions.

Don't settle for a comment on an Empire article. Make some noise!

AKjustice
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AKjustice 02/01/12 - 02:45 pm
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@chelsea_5

Right on!!!

PP. get a clue, of course we need a few admin. But trueley, do we need them all?

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 02/01/12 - 03:00 pm
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@AKjustice: the proposition

@AKjustice: the proposition was not to eliminate some positions and streamline the process. The proposition from at least two posters above was, and I quote, "fire all the admin."

Next time, read the posts I comment on, as well as my post. There being too much emphasis on administration in our school system DOES NOT mean we should do away with administration altogether.

Chelsea_S
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Chelsea_S 02/01/12 - 03:18 pm
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Email addresses

They got cut out of my previous post.

Budget input: budgetinput@jsd.k12.ak.us
School board: schoolboard@ci.juneau.ak.us

And of course I'm not advocating eliminating all admin positions. As a teacher I do interact with the administration once or twice a year. But my feeling is there are FAR more positions than are actually needed.

But it's not like they'll pony up information to prove me wrong unless people demand it.

dakotaman
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dakotaman 02/01/12 - 03:21 pm
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Recruit home schoolers?

"I think we should be recruiting more of our kids to come to school who are homeschooled. That is a huge resource. We should be doing something to attract them."

We home school our kids to avoid many of the problems cited in this article (and plenty more). What on earth does Mr. Choate propose doing to recruit our kids to the public school system? I can't think of anything would convince me to put our kids in to that mess.

J. E. Fume
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J. E. Fume 02/01/12 - 03:45 pm
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AK Mom2, You nailed

AK Mom2,

You nailed it!!!!!
This don't hold true for only Juneau, it's a nationwide issue. The current system is so worried about a child's feeling being hurt and doesn't care a crap if said child actually learns anything--like how to spell. People's feelings get hurt--kids need to learn to deal with it. There are lots of good teachers in the schools. Let them teach!!!

Banditrider
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Banditrider 02/01/12 - 05:20 pm
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Cut the fat!

The foot soldiers do all the work, they work with measurable results. Meanwhile, the top brass go to luncheons, think up policies, travel, think up programs, bring in guest speakers, complain, and think they are underpaid. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands spent on seminars and programs (newfangled math programs, not unlike Obama's green energy programs) that never come to fruition. Many paid hours spent on how to save money. Where is the waste? When Weyerhauser went into tough times, they axed all the upper level crust. They became profitable again. Can JSD do the same?

AK Mom2
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AK Mom2 02/01/12 - 06:45 pm
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Allrighty then...

Allrighty then... if you all are in agreement tell you neighbors, friends, and family. It is time to put our feet and our words together. Its time the people speak out as a group and let the admin know enough is enough. $145,000 for new City Manager while our kids get run over by cars. Yeah that seems fair.

Lets gather together at school board meetings, PTOs, town halls, etc. Lets tell them we no longer need their services. If we are experiencing cutbacks and paycuts then by dern, so can the admin depts. And it HAD BETTER START with them, not with the teachers!!!! There better not be one admin left before the teachers go!!!!

In the old days we had what was called town hall meetings, but since the days of rotten political policies and behind the scenes dealings without the public knowledge, town halls are no longer "necessary". Today's youth have at least made a punch by making this statement..."Occupy". So lets "Occupy our school system" back. Let take charge as a people once again.

Let those in charge hear our voices and wonder if they are going to have a job the next day.

RNMOM
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RNMOM 02/01/12 - 09:10 pm
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For parents who have children

For parents who have children with illnesses/disabilities-nurses are priceless. My daughter has asthma and I thank God that we have school nurses such as Luann at Auke Bay. She is in step with my daughter's asthma plan developed by her physician and appropriately assesses and treats as needed, always keeping my husband and me up to date.
She and other school nurses dont' "sit around the office". Take some time and volunteer to help out your school nurse-watch her as she takes care of the children who stop by-giving a snack or oatmeal to a child who has had little or no breakfast, assist with great pateince the student who has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, she knows her students and is there for them. As a nurse-I applaud her-as a mother -she is my hero.

RNMOM
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RNMOM 02/01/12 - 09:10 pm
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For parents who have children

For parents who have children with illnesses/disabilities-nurses are priceless. My daughter has asthma and I thank God that we have school nurses such as Luann at Auke Bay. She is in step with my daughter's asthma plan developed by her physician and appropriately assesses and treats as needed, always keeping my husband and me up to date.
She and other school nurses dont' "sit around the office". Take some time and volunteer to help out your school nurse-watch her as she takes care of the children who stop by-giving a snack or oatmeal to a child who has had little or no breakfast, assist with great pateince the student who has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, she knows her students and is there for them. As a nurse-I applaud her-as a mother -she is my hero.

RNMOM
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RNMOM 02/01/12 - 09:10 pm
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For parents who have children

For parents who have children with illnesses/disabilities-nurses are priceless. My daughter has asthma and I thank God that we have school nurses such as Luann at Auke Bay. She is in step with my daughter's asthma plan developed by her physician and appropriately assesses and treats as needed, always keeping my husband and me up to date.
She and other school nurses dont' "sit around the office". Take some time and volunteer to help out your school nurse-watch her as she takes care of the children who stop by-giving a snack or oatmeal to a child who has had little or no breakfast, assist with great pateince the student who has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, she knows her students and is there for them. As a nurse-I applaud her-as a mother -she is my hero.

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