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To catch a liar

Deception detection expert divulges secrets in Crime Conference keynote address

Posted: May 27, 2012 - 12:10am
Janine Driver gives her speech "Lie Detection for Law Enforement!" to members of the Alaska Peace Officer's Association during the last day of their 2012 Crime Conference at Centennial Hall on Friday.  Michael Penn / Juneau Empire
Michael Penn / Juneau Empire
Janine Driver gives her speech "Lie Detection for Law Enforement!" to members of the Alaska Peace Officer's Association during the last day of their 2012 Crime Conference at Centennial Hall on Friday.

Errant pauses, emphatic denials, erratic eye contact.

They’re all telltale signs someone is being less than truthful, but how can you really tell if someone is lying to you?

On Friday, Juneauites had the chance to ask an expert in the deception detection field — Janine Drive, AKA “The Lyin’ Tamer.”

Driver, a former federal law enforcement agent with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms who has trained officers within the ATF, FBI and CIA, spoke to law enforcement members at the Alaska Peace Officers Association Crime Conference at Centennial Hall on Monday. She gave a repeat performance Friday to the general public.

“I think at the end of the day is people want to separate fact from fiction,” Driver told the Empire in an interview. “We’ve all been lied to,” she said, noting that people lie in one of five social situations.

The first rule of lie detection, Driver says, is that not all liars are the same.

“Be cautious on saying liars always do this, or liars always do that,” she told her audience. “It’s not that simple.”

The way to catch a liar is to find a baseline of their normal behavior. If they deviate from their normal behavior, then that’s called a “hot spot,” or an indication of suspicious behavior.

So, for instance, Driver said, if someone you’re talking to someone who is leaning back in their chair, that doesn’t necessarily mean that their body language is telling you they are disinterested or want to leave. It could just be their baseline.

But if they are leaning towards you, then suddenly lean away when you ask them a question, it could be suspicious behavior.

Driver gave the audience a few hot spots to be on the look out for. One is when a person’s belly button will turn away to face an exit, Driver said.

“I call that navel intelligence, by the way,” she said with a smile.

Another is when someone’s lips are turned upside down, sucked in or pursed.

“When we don’t like what we see or hear, our mouths and lips suddenly disappear,” she said.

The important thing after pinpointing a hot spot is following up with a “powerful question,” couched in terms like, “Maybe I’m wrong here, but ...?” or “Is there any reason why ...?”

“Don’t be a mind-reader. Avoid mind-reading,” Driver said. “Get that baseline when there’s a deviation from a norm. If it’s a hotspot, then ask that powerful question.”

Driver broke liars up into three categories: Teeter-totters, who are going back and forth with their language and body language; Convince-not-conveyers who oversell their story (one indication is the use of “Obviously,” “Absolutely,” and “Never” — Bill Clinton was case in point, she said); and backsliders, who are the people who just want to disappear.

One example of teeter-tottering, Driver said, was Neil Entwistle, who murdered his 9-month-old baby and wife in 2006. Driver showed a video of him in court, who is seen smiling as he covers his face to hide tears that weren’t there.

“His facial expressions are not matching the moment,” Driver said. “He’s pretending to cry, but we’re actually seeing happiness.”

Casey Anthony was a good example of a backslider, she said, as she engaged in “body blocking” in court by trying to hide behind her bangs.

Verbal indications to be on the lookout for, she said, are the words “because,” “since,” and “so that,” which can be used to justify behavior.

Another is the use of pronouns, she said. For example, if you say, “I went for a walk, I talked on the phone, and I went over to a friend’s house,” that is consistent. But if you say, “I went for a walk, talked on the phone, and I went over to a friend’s house,” that could be a change in a person’s baseline.

Driver, who has appeared on national news and talk shows sharing her expertise, challenged the audience to more aware about what’s going on around them so they can avoid being a victim.

She asked the crowd which they were: a wolf or a sheep?

“The wolves can spot the wolves, and the wolves can spot the sheep,” she said. “What that means is the cops can spot the cops, the cops can spot the bad guys, and the cops can spot potential victims. But guess who else is a wolf? The bad guy. That means the bad guy can spot another bad guy.

“But the sheep aren’t spotting anybody,” she said.

Driver told the Empire she hoped her lecture helps people avoid be blind-sided by what she called sucker punches to the gut.

“Whether it’s a significant other cheating on us, a boss lying to us, us losing a job, getting a job we think we’re going to get and we find out it was given to someone else, a best friend lying, those are sucker punches to the gut,” she said. “We’ve been blind-sided, all of us, in one way or another, and so people want that edge in the game of life on who really has my back or not. You see it all the time, the Bernie Madoffs and you watch all this television, and you think, ‘Hey, are my finances safe? Am I safe? Are my kids safe? And at the end of the day, I think that’s what people want.”

After the four-hour lecture, audience members rushed over to meet Driver and tell her they couldn’t wait to buy her books, which were New York Times best sellers.

“I’m going to go home and see if my husband turns away from me when I talk to him,” Dot Wilson said jokingly. She’s a 71-year-old retiree who co-owned Coast Helicopters with her husband.

Former Soldotna Police Chief Greg Russell said he saw Driver speak Monday and liked her lecture so much, he invited a friend on Friday.

“It was a refresher,” he said, adding, “She’s able to put it into words and make sense of it.”

A TSA behavior detection officer for the Juneau International Airport, Cheryl Novak, attended the talk with a co-worker, and said she could incorporate some of what she learned into her work.

“It goes along with everything I’ve learned,” Novak said.

Florence DeTemple, who works for Catholic Community Services, said she left the conference determined to be try to pay attention to details that often go overlooked.

“I’m like oblivious,” she said with a laugh. “I’ll be the first to admit gullible is stamped to my forehead. So I take people at face value, and I really need to pay attention to those subtle things.”

Everybody lies, but it’s imperative to find out why, Driver said. Is it a harmless lie to avoid embarrassment? Is it to avoid admitting you’ve done something wrong? Or is it to cause someone pain?

Driver told the Empire she was molested by a neighbor when she was 6 years old in a backyard shed, and later pursued a career in law enforcement to learn how to protect herself, emotionally and physically.

The Empire doesn’t name victims of sexual assault without permission, which Driver gave, mentioning she wrote about her experiences in her books.

“At that point, at 6 years old, I was destined to go into law enforcement,” she said. “I was all about going into law enforcement to save myself, to protect myself. ... But now — once I got the tools that I have, and I feel safe — now I want to give it to everybody else. I want to save lives by boosting confidence and personal careers. I want people to know what I know.”

• Contact reporter Emily Russo Miller at 523-2263 or at emily.miller@juneauempire.com.

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Latitude58 05/27/12 - 07:29 am
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I suggest we...

...watch Governor Parnell closely the next time he speaks.

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jamison 05/27/12 - 09:14 am
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perhaps ALL politicians

and everyone seeking the public trust, should be scrutinized carefully---Personally, I'd like to see on on-screen lie-detector indicator, PLUS an interpreter like Driver, PLUS a moment-to-moment fact-checker for EVERY political speech given by ANYONE.

It wouldn't catch 'em all, but it would weed out a few of the more blatant tools

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jamison 05/29/12 - 05:22 pm
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subtle cues a politician is lying:

The cameras are on them, their lips are moving, and they're invoking God and Country, or the American People

purehumboldt
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purehumboldt 05/27/12 - 02:32 pm
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not always the case

politicians seem to be expected to lie, hide, and skirt the truth. But these "cues to lying" can also indicate anxiety, nervousness, insecurity, fear and many other emotions that do not mean someone is lying. Profiling in this way is not a sure thing and a tool for pointing fingers and spreading ignorance. FACTS always speak louder than words and are the only thing that should be relied upon for discerning the truth. Finding the truth thru research is harder than pointing fingers and saying..their eyes look like they are lying! So get of your arses america and do some work.

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ima49er 05/28/12 - 08:52 am
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Oh great,

another know it all moving to town.

purehumboldt
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purehumboldt 05/28/12 - 12:44 pm
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well..maybe not...

wow...and here I thought all people from Juneau were gunna be kind, intelligent, empathetic, open minded people who were interested in truth and good communication.

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Alaskastu 05/28/12 - 06:33 pm
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This is an Internet forum,

This is an Internet forum, Niceties (sp)?, go out the window. Couldnt agree more Jameson. I would be nice if political figures were under oath during all proceedings and speeches. We shouldn't have to weed through lies from people wanting our trust.

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skatdachef 05/28/12 - 11:01 pm
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Oathes or detectors or torture!

OK the woman told you what to look for. But that doesn't do squat when the bum you voted in has a massive dollar increased brainfart in your worst interest. Maybe it would alter our political arena if there was REAL adverse crap at the end of the day. What if a little fingernail pulling or some zapped balls happened to be on the menu for crappy public service! Damn sure would be interesting to see what the place would be like after a few politicos had their hats handed to em that way. Sorry, went off in lala land and couldn't help myself but, It gets a little old when some bozo gets caught and spends his time at a frakin golf course in politico heaven. Besides I really don't want to know when the bums are lyin to me, thats a given. I'm more interested in why and what corner did I miss in life to be that frakin anti-reason? Jeez, I just opened a can of worms for the "Hes advocating" crap crowd! Big smile!

purehumboldt
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purehumboldt 05/29/12 - 09:54 pm
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holes

Most politicians can lie to your face without batting an eye. Seriously. And niceties only go out the window when someone isn't nice.

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