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Heck, most of the grafiti seems to be done by dumb thugs looking for attention. At least this individual may have sat through a history class. (Not supporting tagging, just making an observation).
Mine are usually typos. It takes a certain level of stupid to spray paint a message and get it wrong. And what are we supposed to remember about Wounded Knee? That the Souix were mistreated? OK. It was a horrible thing. Next time I find myself in charge of a calvary unit that is contemplating slaughtering hundreds of Souix, I'll remember Wounded Knee and how bad it was and decide to not kill them. Fair enough.
That you spelled Sioux the way you did ... multiple times.
You could also remember that this nation has a long and often horrific history of maltreatment and massacre of Indigenous Peoples. You could take the memories of some of the more egregious atrocities and guard against prejudices in everyday dealings. Or, if you are a Native, being assimilated into a consumer based digital culture, you could remember that your culture own culture has been under attack for a long time, in more direct fashion, and that you should do what you can to hold on to your heritage.
There's a lot you can do when remembering Wounded Knee.
Bong Hits For Jesus was a banner (personal property) displayed out of the jurisdiction of the confiscator. As stupid a stunt as it was, it was legal and within the displayer's rights. It was not vandalism of public property. BIG difference.
That banner was not displayed out of the jurisdiction of the confiscator, and Frederick had no legal right to display it. I agree with you, though, that the stunt was stupid. Go ahead and check out the United States Supreme Court decision, which you’re obviously not aware of: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/06-278.ZS.html
With regard to the defacing of public property … some people risk penalty for making a statement that’s intended to bring public awareness to an exigent social problem (honoring Jesus by getting stoned seems like a personal problem). So this individual must have thought the message was worth it OR s/he’s a similar idiot to Frederick.
Comparing Bong Hits to Wounded Knee is stupid and dismissive. I’m embarrassed for you.
And the Supreme Court ruling was WRONG. The long arm of the principal can not reach across the street any more than it can reach around the world. I didn't bring up bong hits, but, free speech vs. vandalism is the point of my reply. You can agree with the Court ruling if you wish, but, it doesn't make it correct. I am fairly familiar with this case and I am convinced that this idiot's free speech rights were violated as was his right to privacy when he parked his car at the swimming pool which is also off school property. So my reply to you, robynlynn is Wrong Answer.
As for the vandals, SignPro makes banners and he can spell it right for you.
And as for the message, FREE LEONARD PELTIER!
What do you consider determines what is right? A higher power?
The Supreme Court is the expert body and final word on the Constitution so I doubt you're holding their ruling to the Constitution (unless maybe you believe you are better versed/educated on the ins and outs of it than is the Supreme Court).
They are infallible. That's why it's called the SUPREME court. So I guess murdering babies in the womb is as right as corporations are persons. They should re-write Bibles and Constitutions. Oh yeah! They already do that. After all, they are SUPREME!
It's fine that this person wants us to remember Wounded Knee...
But I have to say, spray painting the word misspelled is VERY embarrassing and takes away from the message. Spelling counts. It really does.
People are judged by their grammar; no matter if you believe that is right or wrong, it is, indeed, a fact.
And thank you, copenhaver, for your posts. Skirtz, the Supreme Court is not "infallible" - but they ARE the final say in whether something is Constitutional. Part of being an American is recognizing that they (SCOTUS) are the final check of the "checks and balances." You can disagree with them publicly...(Amendment One) but it will take a new court case with a similar issue to overturn their ruling.
No joke. Three were indicted, but Leonard was in Canada when the other two were tried and aquitted. Peltier was extradited and tried separately and was made the sacrificial atonement for the FBI.
Make fun of the vandal's spelling if it gives you your jollies, but, it did make you "REMBER"[sic], didn't it?
Oh, and my post about the SCOTUS being infallible was absolutely sarcastic.
It's a tradition. Like hiding Mac. At least they spelled it right. I saw "SHCOOL CROSSING" painted on a street down south with the correction painted over it. Priceless photo!
First, y'all missed the other misspelling, calvary vs. cavalry. I found others, but I try not to point them out.
Second, I supported the Bong Hits 4 Jesus defendants. The SCOTUS wrongly decided that case, just as they have wrongly decided Citizens United, Bong Hits, Bowers v. Hardwick (which they later reversed themselves 17 years later in Lawrence v. Texas and admitted that Bowers was wrongly decided) and several other cases. Although they are the final word on constitutionality, they are also political appointees many of whom are doing the bidding for the party that appointed them.
As for Wounded Knee, and all the atrocities etc., let me just say this; Every person alive can claim an affiliation with some ancestral or ethnic group which has been victimized by another group. Let's learn from history and move on. Bringing up past atrocities only open old wounds, and old wounds which are continuously re-opened never heal.
Oh, and if you're curious about Bowers v. Georgia or Lawrence v. Texas, it's very interesting reading on the history of states' sodomy laws!
During the American Revolution, Native Americans sided with the British with countless sudden and violent attacks on seaboard settlements in an attempt to help the British defeat the Americans.
In 100 years, during that era, who would be expected to forgive and forget Native Americans did their best to kill the American Revolution. But from out era you can't speak without a political correctness filter.
Native tribes also fought for 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation to keep their slaves...also something not mentioned by Natives or covered with a ridicuous story about how their slaves were family. Slaves are slaves.
Not one penny has any Native tribe freely given to compensate any of their slaves' ancestors but Native Americans line up in force for free healthcare, college tuition, subsidized low or no qualification mortgages and eagerly sign up for public assistance benefits because they are allowed by law to have higher incomes than other Americans and still qualify for "low income" handouts.
Including the corner on the history book market. Different Native tribes took opposing sides in the war between the English and the French and again between the colonists and the English. Warring tribes were around before any Europeans showed up. The massacre at Wounded Knee happened before any of us were born and there is no doubt in my mind that the slaughter of women and children as well as disarmed men was atrocious. But, I feel no responsibility either way for those events. I do, however, hold a great disdain for Federal actions taken in my lifetime at Wounded Knee and the murders and disappearances of hundreds of people during the "uprising" of the American Indian Movement. These atrocities can be blamed on federal agencies (FBI, BIA, etc) and Indian run Red Cloud agencies that pitted Indian against Indian in the pursuit of power over the reservations. We're talking the 1960's and '70s. Now that brings US shame. It's one thing to be conquered. It's another to be ground into the dirt. So, I'll "REMBER" Wounded Knee
Not sure why my post was removed yesterday but I still think it fits and is a wonderfully worded quote.
"I did not know then how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died there. It was a beautiful dream . . . . the nation's hoop is broken and scattered. There is no center any longer, and the sacred tree is dead." (Source: Black Elk Speaks, c. 1932)
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Add commentRemember grade school
Remember grade school spelling class...
At least this one seems to have purpose
Heck, most of the grafiti seems to be done by dumb thugs looking for attention. At least this individual may have sat through a history class. (Not supporting tagging, just making an observation).
Honest.
Heck kpawsuh, I have to admit that I missed that mis-spelling (never been my strong suit). I guess my degrees don't mean much:-)
That's rich
Kpawsuh commenting on other's spelling.
Mine are usually typos. It
Mine are usually typos. It takes a certain level of stupid to spray paint a message and get it wrong. And what are we supposed to remember about Wounded Knee? That the Souix were mistreated? OK. It was a horrible thing. Next time I find myself in charge of a calvary unit that is contemplating slaughtering hundreds of Souix, I'll remember Wounded Knee and how bad it was and decide to not kill them. Fair enough.
Please tell me that it's a joke ...
That you spelled Sioux the way you did ... multiple times.
You could also remember that this nation has a long and often horrific history of maltreatment and massacre of Indigenous Peoples. You could take the memories of some of the more egregious atrocities and guard against prejudices in everyday dealings. Or, if you are a Native, being assimilated into a consumer based digital culture, you could remember that your culture own culture has been under attack for a long time, in more direct fashion, and that you should do what you can to hold on to your heritage.
There's a lot you can do when remembering Wounded Knee.
Gess I culdnt rember how tu
Gess I culdnt rember how tu spel it.
Rember Custer!
Rember Custer!
Rember da Alamo!
Rember da Alamo!
Rember to buy milk on the way
Rember to buy milk on the way home!
Kpawsuh:
Because one joke just isn't enough.
Cleansing...
...apropos.
Rough Cut
Bong Hits For Jesus was a banner (personal property) displayed out of the jurisdiction of the confiscator. As stupid a stunt as it was, it was legal and within the displayer's rights. It was not vandalism of public property. BIG difference.
Wrong answer, Skirkz
That banner was not displayed out of the jurisdiction of the confiscator, and Frederick had no legal right to display it. I agree with you, though, that the stunt was stupid. Go ahead and check out the United States Supreme Court decision, which you’re obviously not aware of: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/06-278.ZS.html
With regard to the defacing of public property … some people risk penalty for making a statement that’s intended to bring public awareness to an exigent social problem (honoring Jesus by getting stoned seems like a personal problem). So this individual must have thought the message was worth it OR s/he’s a similar idiot to Frederick.
Comparing Bong Hits to Wounded Knee is stupid and dismissive. I’m embarrassed for you.
Off school property.
And the Supreme Court ruling was WRONG. The long arm of the principal can not reach across the street any more than it can reach around the world. I didn't bring up bong hits, but, free speech vs. vandalism is the point of my reply. You can agree with the Court ruling if you wish, but, it doesn't make it correct. I am fairly familiar with this case and I am convinced that this idiot's free speech rights were violated as was his right to privacy when he parked his car at the swimming pool which is also off school property. So my reply to you, robynlynn is Wrong Answer.
As for the vandals, SignPro makes banners and he can spell it right for you.
And as for the message, FREE LEONARD PELTIER!
Supreme Court Wrong??
What do you consider determines what is right? A higher power?
The Supreme Court is the expert body and final word on the Constitution so I doubt you're holding their ruling to the Constitution (unless maybe you believe you are better versed/educated on the ins and outs of it than is the Supreme Court).
spelling?
My thoughts might always be in the correct spelling. If my spelling is off, so what, Sioux me.
What was I thinking???
They are infallible. That's why it's called the SUPREME court. So I guess murdering babies in the womb is as right as corporations are persons. They should re-write Bibles and Constitutions. Oh yeah! They already do that. After all, they are SUPREME!
Making a Point
It's fine that this person wants us to remember Wounded Knee...
But I have to say, spray painting the word misspelled is VERY embarrassing and takes away from the message. Spelling counts. It really does.
People are judged by their grammar; no matter if you believe that is right or wrong, it is, indeed, a fact.
And thank you, copenhaver, for your posts. Skirtz, the Supreme Court is not "infallible" - but they ARE the final say in whether something is Constitutional. Part of being an American is recognizing that they (SCOTUS) are the final check of the "checks and balances." You can disagree with them publicly...(Amendment One) but it will take a new court case with a similar issue to overturn their ruling.
skirkz
It's hard to discern a joke online, so I'm not quite sure if I follow. Are you advocating for Leonard Peltier, or are you mocking his advocates?
Free Leonard Peltier
No joke. Three were indicted, but Leonard was in Canada when the other two were tried and aquitted. Peltier was extradited and tried separately and was made the sacrificial atonement for the FBI.
Make fun of the vandal's spelling if it gives you your jollies, but, it did make you "REMBER"[sic], didn't it?
Oh, and my post about the SCOTUS being infallible was absolutely sarcastic.
Leonard Peltier
Yep, I'm quite familiar with Peltier's story, and I certainly agree with your assessment of how the FBI handled the whole thing...
Someone painted "2012" on
Someone painted "2012" on Highland Dr. near the high school. Lets get right on that.
They did a good job, too!
It's a tradition. Like hiding Mac. At least they spelled it right. I saw "SHCOOL CROSSING" painted on a street down south with the correction painted over it. Priceless photo!
Jo is here to correct everything
First, y'all missed the other misspelling, calvary vs. cavalry. I found others, but I try not to point them out.
Second, I supported the Bong Hits 4 Jesus defendants. The SCOTUS wrongly decided that case, just as they have wrongly decided Citizens United, Bong Hits, Bowers v. Hardwick (which they later reversed themselves 17 years later in Lawrence v. Texas and admitted that Bowers was wrongly decided) and several other cases. Although they are the final word on constitutionality, they are also political appointees many of whom are doing the bidding for the party that appointed them.
As for Wounded Knee, and all the atrocities etc., let me just say this; Every person alive can claim an affiliation with some ancestral or ethnic group which has been victimized by another group. Let's learn from history and move on. Bringing up past atrocities only open old wounds, and old wounds which are continuously re-opened never heal.
Oh, and if you're curious about Bowers v. Georgia or Lawrence v. Texas, it's very interesting reading on the history of states' sodomy laws!
history is skewed by the teller of the tale
During the American Revolution, Native Americans sided with the British with countless sudden and violent attacks on seaboard settlements in an attempt to help the British defeat the Americans.
In 100 years, during that era, who would be expected to forgive and forget Native Americans did their best to kill the American Revolution. But from out era you can't speak without a political correctness filter.
Native tribes also fought for 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation to keep their slaves...also something not mentioned by Natives or covered with a ridicuous story about how their slaves were family. Slaves are slaves.
Not one penny has any Native tribe freely given to compensate any of their slaves' ancestors but Native Americans line up in force for free healthcare, college tuition, subsidized low or no qualification mortgages and eagerly sign up for public assistance benefits because they are allowed by law to have higher incomes than other Americans and still qualify for "low income" handouts.
To the victors go the spoils.
Including the corner on the history book market. Different Native tribes took opposing sides in the war between the English and the French and again between the colonists and the English. Warring tribes were around before any Europeans showed up. The massacre at Wounded Knee happened before any of us were born and there is no doubt in my mind that the slaughter of women and children as well as disarmed men was atrocious. But, I feel no responsibility either way for those events. I do, however, hold a great disdain for Federal actions taken in my lifetime at Wounded Knee and the murders and disappearances of hundreds of people during the "uprising" of the American Indian Movement. These atrocities can be blamed on federal agencies (FBI, BIA, etc) and Indian run Red Cloud agencies that pitted Indian against Indian in the pursuit of power over the reservations. We're talking the 1960's and '70s. Now that brings US shame. It's one thing to be conquered. It's another to be ground into the dirt. So, I'll "REMBER" Wounded Knee
I think the guy might have
I think the guy might have been referring to the time during a basketball game when he fell down and hurt his knee.
I'm betting he has never been
I'm betting he has never been to wounded knee. And he probably doesn't even remember painting that sign.
Post removed?
Not sure why my post was removed yesterday but I still think it fits and is a wonderfully worded quote.
"I did not know then how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died there. It was a beautiful dream . . . . the nation's hoop is broken and scattered. There is no center any longer, and the sacred tree is dead." (Source: Black Elk Speaks, c. 1932)