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Juneau breaks 66-year-old temperature record

Posted: July 15, 2012 - 6:48am

JUNEAU — The National Weather Service says clear skies caused temperatures to reach record lows across southeast Alaska.
The Juneau airport broke a 66-yearold record for July 12 on Thursday morning, with the temperature falling to 38 degrees. The prior record, set in 1946, was 40 degrees.
The lowest new low, according to the weather service, was 36 degrees, and hit at two other Juneau-area reporting stations and Hyder.
In all, 13 records were set, though some communities, like Juneau, Haines and Skagway, had several reporting
stations recording records.

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juneauakgrrl
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juneauakgrrl 07/15/12 - 10:31 am
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Global warming, anyone?

Global warming, anyone?

eowyn
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eowyn 07/15/12 - 02:41 pm
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It is global warming

It is different everywhere. Here in Juneau, since we are on the ocean we get more precipitation and cloud cover.

Sacrifice
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Sacrifice 07/15/12 - 05:59 pm
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Global Warming Because -

Global warming causes cooler temeratures, warmer temperatures, more rain, less rain, more snow, less snow, more storms, less storms, as well as more and fewer sunspots. Oh, FYI, it is no longer global warming because it is too scary. Rather, try these: climate change, global climate disruption, ocean acidificaiton, climaticide, biosphere collapse. Or, just call it what it is - global enviro"mental" mass hysteria.

ospreyy
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ospreyy 07/15/12 - 10:40 pm
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If it's hot it is global warming

If it is cold it's global warming. If it's wet it's global warming. If it's dry it's global warming.

See, you cannot deny that global warming is happening!!!!

60.5 DegN
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60.5 DegN 07/16/12 - 01:22 am
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86 all time record highs set

86 all time record highs set just in June of 2012 in the US.
Greeley, KS breaks a 108 year record 109 degF
Red Willow, NE breaks a 104 year record @ 115 degF

Annually the world uses ~230 billion gallons of gasoline for motor vehicles. This does not include heating fuel.
We burn ~4.6 Trillion Tons of coal annually. All the fumes from burning all these fuels gets dumped into the atmosphere that we breathe to keep us alive.
Our breathable atmosphere is only about 36,000 feet thick.
Thats a lot of crap to dump into such a relatively thin layer of life supporting atmosphere.

Lets assume for the purposes of discussion that these trillions of tons of burned fuel have no impact on our atmosphere at all.
Our society, virtually all societies in developed countries, are unsustainable. Unsustainable as in self terminating.
The very same things we would need to do to mitigate global warming we need to do to become sustainable.
We only put off change because people are, by and large, crisis oriented and nothing will change until we arrive at that critical 11th hour crisis.
What will our Mother Earth be like at that point?
I suspect that future generations will curse us.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 07/16/12 - 08:08 am
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"I suspect that future generations will curse us."

I suspect not.

Do you spend time cursing the people who wiped out the passenger pigeon? Or the vast herds of bison? Or dammed the rivers?...

Future generations will encounter the world that exists. And while global warming will definitely lead to a profoundly different world with many challenges, I'm guessing there will be many other non-climate changes that will also affect their lives. Some of those changes will be good, some not so.

Look at how technology has changed the human world in the past 50 years. I can't even imagine how it will change in the next 50. The massive changes coming due to global warming might well be drowned out by many of those other changes.

Now all of those species that die off...THEY may curse us.

akjim
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akjim 07/16/12 - 08:16 am
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Global climatologists, as

Global climatologists, as well as Al Gore and a huge number of armchair global warming alarmists, would like to use .000000000027% of temperature data to determine the direction of temperature climate change. Shortly after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita these same alarmists predicted dozens of major hurricanes were going rip through the country in the following years. There has not been a single hurricane making US landfall over category 2 since 2005, and only one of those (Ike).

Interesting that one of the above alarmists claim that the cooler temperatures are because of global warming because we're on the coast, and will therefore see more rain and cloud cover. However the cooler temps, as is usual, were due to clear skies. Global warming alarmists can't even get their own stories straight.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 07/16/12 - 08:45 am
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Jim

Give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.

akjim
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akjim 07/16/12 - 08:49 am
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Specifics

Lat, really? That's the best you have? Seriously? You love to blather on about things of which you are clearly clueless, so please, explain where I'm wrong. Or are you really ready to take 120 years of reasonably questionable weather data out of 4.58 billion to determine what's going to happen in the future? But of course you are, because you're a clueless goosestepping moron falling into lockstep with anything the liberal establishment tells you to believe. You must be so proud.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/16/12 - 09:17 am
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@akjim: I'm curious to know

@akjim: I'm curious to know what has led to you to reach your conclusions. Can you point me towards the scientific papers you've read that disprove climate change, or invalidate decades of climate research?

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 09:23 am
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No Question

There's no question air pollution from all sources are having an effect on the atmosphere but to what degree we do not know. Many people and organizations have an opinion and swear they have the data to prove it but the next set of people with data swear they have the data to contradict what the other say's.

It seems to be in the same ball park as "take aspirin daily for your heart" one year later we have found it is unhealthy for your heart, same with the proper procedure to perform CPR which changes every several years. Who has the answer, they all do just ask them.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/16/12 - 09:30 am
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@onder: I would ask you for

@onder: I would ask you for the same citations. Do you have links to the scientific papers you read that claimed to contain conflicting data?

Milspec.
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Milspec. 07/16/12 - 09:41 am
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Sounds like a typical day for

Sounds like a typical day for Mother Nature. BTW, how come we don’t blame all those pesky dinosaurs?
You know the ones that died off and created all this fossil fuel that is destroying our earth.

tracker
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tracker 07/16/12 - 10:27 am
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In the Bible it says that the

In the Bible it says that the sins of our fathers will be passed from generation to generation. Does that mean that our children will suffer because of our father's sins?

YES - children do pay for their fathers sins

We treat our atmosphere and water ways like sewers because it is cheaper for business. It is a crime beyond measure.
Business has no God given right to do this and our fathers are all sinners to allow and facilitate it.

Calypso
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Calypso 07/16/12 - 10:53 am
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Yikes, an Algore follower

Yikes, an Algore follower quoting the Bible!! Now that's funny...

And "sins of the fathers will revisit the children (Deuteronomy 5:9)" has nothing to do with global warming!!

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 10:58 am
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Persnickety Persimmon ?

It is obvious that you still have internet use so have you really not been paying attention to all the news reports that are generated daily, monthly, yearly from all around the world? Answer this, have you heard more than one professional opinion about,

1.Global Warming Reasons

2.Aspirin Daily Dose Saves Lives For Heart Compromised People

3.CPR Has Had Major Changes Over The Years, Last One Says To Discontinue Giving Breaths And Just Do Chest Compression's? I will speak to the Warden and see if you can get more access to the computer and additional website privilege.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/16/12 - 11:06 am
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@onder: I'm sorry, I should

@onder: I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm not asking for sensationalized news articles and shoddy science reporting. I'm asking for the specific scientific papers you've read which lead you to the conclusion that scientists go back and forth on climate change (I don't much care about the other things you've mentioned, but if you want to cite papers for those I'd be more than happy to read them as well).

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 11:42 am
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Persnickety Persimmon

I just have the news reports and news paper articles to gather info from like most people but I do listen and read what is being said and again like most people think, what the heck am I supposed to believe now?

Do a Google search on any of the items I brought up and just click on the websites that seem credible and read what they say. Yep they all seem to have the answer, who are going to believe? Me too, now for the CPR procedures update stop by the fire station closest to you and ask what is the newest procedure to practice when giving CPR now ask them when that changed.

You will see my point and it is not a comforting point to have, were talking peoples live at stake here, how can this procedure change so much just in the last 10 years?

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/16/12 - 12:18 pm
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@onder: so you haven't read

@onder: so you haven't read any papers, then? Why do you think you're qualified to hold an opinion on this matter, if this is the case?

Because here are the facts: there IS a scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change. We are affecting the environment and causing, overall, a global warming trend through the emissions of CO2 and, to a lesser extent, other greenhouse gases. There is no scientific debate about this matter. The "controversy" you hear in the news is entirely political in nature. What we DON'T know is how exactly the environment will be impacted by climate change, and we don't know how far it will go. Will increasing temperatures lead to higher water vapor (the main greenhouse gas) levels in the atmosphere and create a positive feedback loop? Will there instead be more cloud cover that reflects more solar radiation? Will thawing permafrost release enormous amounts of methane into the atmosphere and exacerbate the problem? Will ocean acidification cause mass marine extinctions? And so on.

There are plenty of unknowns. The fact of anthropogenic climate change is not one of them. The unknowns mostly deal in the scale of the problem. We may be facing a massive extinction event that will totally destroy our way of life. We may only face a moderate extinction event that we can adapt to with enough money and will (but make no mistake, there will be extinctions--higher order organisms simply can not adapt fast enough to the rapid changes in climate we are beginning to experience).

Unfortunately, the "news" is NOT a good place to get your scientific information from. I guarantee you there was not a paper saying that aspirin was bad for you, and then another one saying it was good for you. That's not how science works. Scientists use words like "suggest" and "indicate" and "possible." The media takes a paper SUGGESTING that, say, saturated fat causes cancer, and then comes up with a scary headline proclaiming that it does, in fact, cause cancer. In reality, one study finds this. Other scientists are then tasked with reviewing the paper for errors (maybe the methods were flawed, or the sample size was too small, or the statistical significance was very low) and replicating the work to verify that it is, indeed, correct. We saw this very phenomenon in action earlier this year when some physicists in Europe performed an experiment with results suggesting that a neutrino moved faster than the speed of light. The media proclaimed it as a stunning breakthrough in physics. The actual physicists went to work trying to determine whether the results were correct (and lo and behold, they were not).

My advice to you: read some actual scientific papers, or talk to an actual scientist involved with climate science (meteorologists, climatologists, ecologists, etc.). The media does not accurately represent science, particularly when it is politically charged or privately funded (like many health-related studies).

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 12:35 pm
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Persnickety Persimmon ?

Where do you get the names of the information outlet that you rely on for your info? I get info from everywhere that seems credible never from one source. Tunnel vision is not health try to widen your horizon and join the confusion like the rest of us lol.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/16/12 - 12:47 pm
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@onder: have you heard of

@onder: have you heard of Nature and Science? Those are two of the most prestigious scientific journals. Ecology, American Naturalist, New Phytologist, Cell, and Zoology are also big ones, and there are literally thousands of other journals all specializing in various disciplines.

If you're not into reading scientific papers, you can always grab a Discover or Scientific American or some other similarly science-oriented magazine for non-scientists. They aren't source material, but they are fairly accurate and easy to read for the layperson.

Once again, news outlets are not good places for scientific information. The media is out to get your viewership, not to educate you.

Milspec.
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Milspec. 07/16/12 - 12:51 pm
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Well guys, I guess it’s over.

Well guys, I guess it’s over. If PP says it’s so then I guess it’s so. You can’t argue with a pin-head.

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 01:25 pm
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Just got back

Sorry it took me so long to respond, my darling wife has just returned and told me what is being said because I can't read and certainly do not listen well (so she tells me). I will tell you what I think after I have watched Sesame Street so I can get up to date on world news. Be right back.

60.5 DegN
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60.5 DegN 07/16/12 - 09:04 pm
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homing pigeons

Latitude58, extinction of the homing pigeon did not directly affect me so consequently it did not encite any significant level of outrage. However I grew up on the shores of Lake Erie and the total disregard for the health of the lake did indeed spur outrage and I did regularly curse the previous generations for their recklessness.
In the late 1800's the lake used to produce millions of pounds of Sturgeon annually. The lake was a beautiful and highly productive fishery. More productive than the other four great lakes combined. By the 1950's sturgeon were considered extinct. Rivers feeding the lake were dammed, pollition from steel mills and heavy industry was horrible. The Cuyahoga River that emptied into Erie caught on fire twice while I lived there. The lake was an opague green from intense algae blooms caused by pollution. The water had become oxygeon depleated, smelled bad and would no longer support the massive schools of pearch and walleye that the old timers would lament about as they sat on the break walls telling me about the way it used to be.
Industry and municipalities used this once pristine lake as a sewer and nearly destroyed it. It is still very sick.
While I lived there the lake would only support trash fish like Carp and Drum. And these fish tasted as bad a Lake Erie smelled, which was horrible!
This is no small lake, it is ~210 miles long and ~57 miles wide.
Instead of catching pike, walleye, bass and pearch which were all great eating fish, I was relegated to bowfishing for carp during the spring spawn which as far as I am concerned are inedible. The inner city folks would plaster them with barbacue sause to get them down. Previous generations had STOLEN much of the childhood joy I would have otherwise gotten from fishing and enjoying this lake. They stole it and traded it for paper money. They were fools!
Even now with the collapse of heavy industry there the fish are not fit to eat because of chemical toxicity and cancerous growths and there are warnings issued by the EPA to only consume Lake Erie fish a few times a month at most.
"...Walleye over 25", white bass and steelhead....are one meal per month...."

You're damn right I cursed the last generations for ruining what once was a beautiful and incredibly productive body of water. And ruined the possibility that I might enjoy the lake the way that they had been able to before they ruined it for everyone.
I did not just look at what they had done and think 'oh well this is the new reality'.

60.5 DegN
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60.5 DegN 07/16/12 - 01:43 pm
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peer reviewed information vs sensationalized media

Milspec, sounds to me like pp is making the suggestion that these publications are considered to be reliable scientific sources and that mainstream media is not. I'd say he has a point.
Why is that so difficult to deal with?
Name calling means nothing.

valley boy
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valley boy 07/16/12 - 04:39 pm
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Why don't you guys just

Why don't you guys just exchange phone numbers?

onder
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onder 07/16/12 - 04:43 pm
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Returned Again

Just so everyone knows news organizations whether it is radio, newspaper,internet,tweet,text etc. are repeating news from a reliable source most of the time and this includes reports from scientific and all the rest that are qualified according to the highest standards. By trial and error I learn who I can believe and who I can't and that is precisely why I watch Sesame Street as they are a reliable source. Being a bird you do not want to stick your neck out too far, by the way nothing new on the show today regarding global warming or having to scrape ice off your windows in July. If you ride a motorcycle ride safe, I'll see you out there.

fromdustreturned
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fromdustreturned 07/16/12 - 05:38 pm
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Science

Bitz C, Shell K, Kiehl J, et al. Climate Sensitivity of the Community Climate System Model, Version 4. Journal Of Climate. May 2012;25(9):3053-3070.

Gettelman A, Kay J, Shell K. The Evolution of Climate Sensitivity and Climate Feedbacks in the Community Atmosphere Model. Journal Of Climate. March 2012;25(5):1453-1469.

Gosling S, McGregor G, Lowe J. The benefits of quantifying climate model uncertainty in climate change impacts assessment: an example with heat-related mortality change estimates. Climatic Change. May 2012;112(2):217-231.

Shepardson D, Niyogi D, Roychoudhury A, Hirsch A. Conceptualizing climate change in the context of a climate system: implications for climate and environmental education. Environmental Education Research. June 2012;18(3):323-352.

Power S, Delage F, Colman R, Moise A. Consensus on Twenty-First-Century Rainfall Projections in Climate Models More Widespread than Previously Thought. Journal Of Climate. June 2012;25(11):3792-3809.

Powledge F. Scientists, Policymakers, and a Climate of Uncertainty. Bioscience. January 2012;62(1):8-13.

Good P, Caesar J, O'Connor F, et al. A review of recent developments in climate change science. Part I: Understanding of future change in the large-scale climate system. Progress In Physical Geography. June 2011;35(3):281-296.

fromdustreturned
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fromdustreturned 07/16/12 - 06:28 pm
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Fantastic!

Two thumbs down for simply posting citations to some recent papers regarding climate!! I never indicated any results from the papers, made any claims, defended or supported any given viewpoint. But there you have it - science is evil!

60.5 DegN
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60.5 DegN 07/16/12 - 09:58 pm
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fromdustreturned, the problem

fromdustreturned, the problem I ran into is that all the articles I checked out are only available to paid subscribers or available by purchase individually.
A person could spend quite a bit of money just finding one article that addresses what they are looking for.

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