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Two injured after apparent knife fight downtown

Posted: October 22, 2012 - 4:27pm

Police were called to Bartlett Regional Hospital at 7 p.m. Saturday after two men with stab wounds showed up for treatment.

Officers say a 45-year-old Juneau man claimed he was awakened after being stabbed in the arm by his friend, “who accused him of theft,” a Juneau Police Department  release said.

After a struggle for the knife, the 49-year-old Juneau man who allegedly attacked the 45-year-old man received cuts to the face. The men said the incident took place in the 300 block of Fourth Street in downtown Juneau. Alcohol was involved and police are investigating the incident.

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Tenacious
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Tenacious 10/22/12 - 08:40 pm
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Stabbing

Alcohol was involved!
The path of stupidity was well lubricated.

snagger
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snagger 10/23/12 - 07:08 am
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What next?

Cheaper than tattoos: a German dueling society!

arktik27
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arktik27 10/23/12 - 07:55 am
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friendly stabbing?

"hey bro..... that's mine... 'stab'.."

"no it's not..."

scuffle

scuffle

slice
slice
slice

"hey bro.... we need to go to the hospital to get stitched up"

"ok"

wren
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wren 10/23/12 - 07:55 am
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Money...

I wonder if the amount of money owed was worth a felony and time in prison... They must have drank away all their brain cells...

The alcohol made me do it. The devil made me do it. No, it was your stupidity that made you do it... Was it worth the felony, the jail time, etc?

It never ceases to amaze me exactly how stupid, selfish and pathetic some people are. There is no room in society for idiots that pull knives...

jdcb81
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jdcb81 10/23/12 - 09:49 am
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....felony, jail

....felony, jail time......freedom is a plea deal away in this town.

juneauakgrrl
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juneauakgrrl 10/23/12 - 10:18 am
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What the??

I feel drunk after reading this article. It's like the reporter got a contact high and passed it on to the readers.

http://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/CoordConj.html

skatdachef
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skatdachef 10/23/12 - 11:53 am
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How apropos!

As I stated about ol' Marvin (death row candidate) and his being worried about the death penalty before his crime. Well, here is a great example of instance over powers common sense. Facts are going to be the same when a person is in the fog of passion. Nobody thinks of consequences when they're POed. These two are probably going to get a bit of jail time, but I really doubt if either thought about what will happen when daddy gets home. Alcohol and knife fighting with your friends. Nothin in the ol homestead was this good. Peace!

Paul Nowlin
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Paul Nowlin 10/23/12 - 12:46 pm
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Downtown Needs Change

I am sick of the drunken violence downtown. The other day I took my wife to Shoe Fly, in broad day light, to look for shoes for our nieces. This drunk young man with no shirt under his jacket was cussing in the middle of the intersection and trying to provoke me to interact with him. Then this last weekend a middle aged man was asking a lady who I believe was on break from the movie theater for a cigarette. She told him they were upstairs, and he said he would wait; after she refused to go and get him one, he followed her back and forth blocking her route; and complaining that he had not had a cigarette all day and that she was a __________ for not getting him one. I waited to get into my car until the lady was safely back inside and he stumbled down the sidewalk.

We need to move the Glory Hole to an area where the general public is not verbally, or occasionally physically, attacked as we go about our day. We need to change the Alaskan Constitution to allow cities to prohibit public intoxication; and panhandling; and then prohibit these individuals from roaming the streets unchecked. I am all for helping the homeless that have mental issues; get them help. However, I am tired of watching all of the atrocities downtown, and not every homeless person is mentally ill. There has to be a solution that is not heartless that will separate the drunkards from the rest of us. We should not have to worry about going downtown; I don't like putting my wife in danger just to eat at El Sombrero.

Any suggestions?

Grendel
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Grendel 10/23/12 - 01:23 pm
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@Paul

Not much can be done without effort which may or may not be worth such effort. The first step in getting thru to a drunk is getting between the person and the bottle. But getting from your car to El Sombrero's -- bear spray.

ThaChamp
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ThaChamp 10/23/12 - 02:52 pm
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.

cant beat'em join em

joehosey
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joehosey 10/23/12 - 06:04 pm
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I agree with Mr.Nowlin ,

I agree with Mr.Nowlin , Downtown juneau is not a place I will take my family in the evening for those very reasons. Drunks and bums thats about it down there it seems; they should move the glory hole to lemon creek. i would shop downtown more if it wasn't so nasty. its all those damned drunks i can't stand.

joehosey
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joehosey 10/24/12 - 07:32 pm
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aka
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aka 10/23/12 - 06:15 pm
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carnival cruise town

if it wasn't for the drunks and bums there wouldn't be any one downtown at all!

Latitude58
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Latitude58 10/23/12 - 07:14 pm
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Here's one

Start cracking down, hard, on the liquor stores and bars that serve intoxicated patrons. There are several establishments downtown that cater to the chronic inebriate crowd. Put the screws to em.

AH HA
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AH HA 10/23/12 - 08:03 pm
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What's wrong with drunks?

Everyone (liberals included) will agree that they are poor souls who have succumbed to an evil disease and whatever they do, it is really our fault not theirs.
The same cannot be said for tourists. What they have is not a disease and it is not our fault. Hell, I’d tolerate ten drunks before facing a tourist.

Of course, since I bought all the T-shirts and shiny rocks I needed on my last trip to cabo, there is not one reason to even consider a trip to downtown, winter or summer, day or night. It's a moot point.

juneauakgrrl
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juneauakgrrl 10/23/12 - 09:23 pm
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ah ha In one breath you

ah ha

In one breath you complain about tourists and then explain that you went one of the most touristy vacation spots in North America. Methinks your mirror must be broken so you don't have to 'face a tourist.'

(???)

jdcb81
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jdcb81 10/24/12 - 06:18 am
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@aka

Cause and effect. You say if their weren't any drunks and bums there wouldn't be anyone downtown at all. If the drunks and bums were not all over at all hours of the day and night, the rest of us could go back to enjoying downtown so yes, there would be people downtown.

Paul Nowlin
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Paul Nowlin 10/24/12 - 07:26 am
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@ LAT58

I agree, if that is what is going on; the alcohol providers should not be serving intoxicated individuals. Although, they could stock up and stay drunk all day anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that it is illegal to provide a belligerent drunk with more sauce.

lingling
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lingling 10/24/12 - 07:37 am
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Downtown Juneau

I'm from a large east coast metropolitain area and Juneau downtown is even worse with drunks, derelicts, panhandlers, etc. than that large city's downtown area. I don't understand why our "city fathers" don't do something to clean up this mess. Someone is going to be seriously hurt by these drunks and the city is going to be sued for looking the other way. I'm a 70 year old woman and the last time I was downtown a drunk panhandler followed me for two blocks screaming obscenities because I wouldn't give him any money. And yet, we Juneauites are being asked to shop downtown!!! How can we when we're confronted by these bums every time we visit downtown. You couldn't pay me enough money to go downtown at night.

Elva Bontrager
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Elva Bontrager 10/24/12 - 08:09 am
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Downtown Experiences

I live downtown and walk my dog day or night routinely. I have NEVER been assaulted, verbally or otherwise. Just maybe it is because I acknowledge their humanity.

I too am dismayed and disturbed by the fact that we have so many drunks on the street, but I am more upset that there is no place for them to go. The Glory Hole - bless their hearts - fills a real need, but it is limited. If one has one drink too many, if one fails the breathalyzer, out on the street you go. It is easy to say to not have that last drink- the nature of addiction is to not recognize that boundary.

Grendel
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Grendel 10/24/12 - 08:10 am
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@lat58

"put the screws to em" -- that's an interesting take in light of our "legal meth" discussions last week.

Pehaps you think there is fundamental difference between a drunk and a tweeker purchasing a legal product from a legal merchant? I expected you would advocate education & intervention to off-set this societal bane.

Paul Nowlin
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Paul Nowlin 10/24/12 - 09:15 am
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@Elva

I am surprised you have not witnessed any of the aforementioned activities; are you walking your dog down the "tourist strip"? It seems that it would be too crowded to do so during the summer. Either way, I see your point, but I assure you that this is not about not seeing their humanity. I converse with the homeless, had a homeless friend/coworker for years, and even hired a gentleman to help me for the day, and bought him a couple meals. If you saw the aggressiveness of the acts described you would see that there is a difference, and these folks are not acting humanely; rather savagely. If you had an unknown man block the path of you and your dog, and then just kept asking you for your dog because he really wanted a pet, then you kept refusing, and it went on for 10 minutes you would understand. I appreciate your kind heart, but if you read this article it is about a man stabbing another man.

hoonahfish
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hoonahfish 10/24/12 - 09:28 am
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where to move the problem

how about the new vacant lot under the bridge? or across from the wal mart parking lot? when they're not bothering people downtown, they're generally hanging out at wal mart anyhow.

hoonahfish
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hoonahfish 10/24/12 - 09:28 am
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where to move the problem

how about the new vacant lot under the bridge? or across from the wal mart parking lot? when they're not bothering people downtown, they're generally hanging out at wal mart anyhow.

Elva Bontrager
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Elva Bontrager 10/24/12 - 09:48 am
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Downtown Juneau at Night

My heart is not a particularly "kind" one. I'm more of a pragmatic sort. And yes, I do walk my dog regularly, tourist season or not. (I must say it is a lot easier off-season)

I don't have an answer to the problems downtown but I do know that I have seen many, many people who freeze emotionally when they meet a homeless or intoxicated person. It is as if they were totally unprepared for anything outside their comfort zone. My suggestion is to keep one's face open and approachable and focused.

When I am asked for "spare change" I say honestly and firmly that I carry NO money; I have never been hounded by anyone.

And for pity's sake: If I were asked for my dog, I would laugh and josh back and forth a bit. Every single one of these people is a human being.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 10/24/12 - 09:52 am
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Elva & Grendel

Elva, how big is the dog that you walk?

Grendel, you presume too much. I never advocated for the unrestricted dispensing of meth, anywhere, to anyone.

We already have restrictions on who can sell alcohol (need a liquor license), where it can be sold (probably not next to an elementary school), what hours it can be sold, who it can be sold to (adults and not intoxicated), etc.

We have laws on the books. Let's start enforcing them. I'm pretty sure that if we just enforced the laws we have, that wouldn't usher in a new 'prohibition' complete with rum-runners.

Addiction is a tough problem. No easy answers. But the non-addicts have some rights too.

Grendel
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Grendel 10/24/12 - 10:03 am
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@lat

unrestricted? of course you didnt advocate that. You were advocating meth by prescription only and AFTER the tweeker has attended classes and received treatment. I was coming up short on medical uses for street meth, but you are correct.

Clearly, these drunks are not drinking responsibly; but I cant imagine that legal meth users would act anymore responsibly, unless these classes & treatment packages were conducted somewhere north of Galena.

Elva Bontrager
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Elva Bontrager 10/24/12 - 10:21 am
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Downtown Juneau at Night

@Lat58- My dog is under 15 pounds, totally non-threatening.

cheeesypoof
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cheeesypoof 10/24/12 - 10:50 am
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downtown Juneau

has calmed down a lot since the 70s... if you feel uncomfortable being down there now, it's a good thing you weren't around a few decades ago. I've certainly never felt threatened, but obviously drunks are not the most fun to be around when sober. They're either telling you how much they love you or how much they hate you. Either one makes me uncomfortable.

Anyone want to bet the supposed item that was stolen here was in fact worth far less than the hospital bills these two fools won't pay?

Downtown is a colorful place. I have no problem with it being colorful. If it is uncomfortable for some then I guess it's a personal problem. Look straight ahead and don't give anyone the time of day. No one will bother you, including perfectly decent, sober folks.

AH HA
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AH HA 10/24/12 - 10:52 am
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@juneauakgrrl

I was making good use of the only thing about the tourist industry I appreciate.... You can always go to someone else’s town and get even.

I guess between the lines what I meant was the tourists are as big a pain in the ass as the drunks are and beyond that, I cannot think of any reason to be downtown anyway. I do not frequent bars and I do not need t-shirts or shiny rocks so I really do not care at all about the drunks lurching around the streets or the obnoxious throngs of tourists wandering up and down the middle of the street.

BTW: If the drunks are scaring the tourists away be careful what you do about it... those drunks represent a large and rapidly growing social welfare industry that employs lots of people here in Juneau.

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