there are no legal meth users; that was English 2nd conditional clause (I learned that in ESL course). No one supports a $500/day habit -- they dig their hole a little deeper each day, until caught, or disposed of by assorted gangsters.

So are you proposing moving the bottle or the drunk? These places operate legally, or they would not have liquor license and CBJ permit. “put the screws to” a lawful business?

I don’t have all the facts like you must. Perhaps these hooligans are stockpiling and purchase only when sober? That’s legal. Or perhaps they have proxy buyers that are sober and of legal age?

How about CBJ puts these cretins on a “do not sell to” list after they have been cited for an alcohol-related disturbance/violation? If establishment sells to them, then they MAY lose their license to operate (it is state license, but CBJ may protest), and in the interim they have fresh headaches for selling to known drunks.

...or you get backed into a corner with my 20 yr mandatory sentencing guidelines for distributors. That would work on whatever ails society.

some times when a drunk downtown asks for money i give them a twenty dollar bill...I gave chief a hundred dollar bill; just to keep in the sync of things a few years back...i heard he is still alive and he lives low income housing somewhere..

Read the address, please. There was a trail of blood down the stairs of a locked building.

Three paragraphs and the discussion goes to downtown downtown "homeless" drunk stuff, Nowlin?

I heard that one downtown felony assault got or is about to get 10 yrs (closely related to the Glory Hole) and that felony assault was in a different building downtown and that he had previously and proudly shown his record from California.

Knife fights, any fights, are dangerous.

Signing out after this and not even going to the pellet gun rifle article because guns should not be in any school. Rules are rules.

Thank you JPD Metro. Most people don't care about the splattered blood of the victims, or the effort of the uniforms. I could write a whole tribute to the adrenaline necessary for constant enforcement and the need for peace. I tell jokes to balance my adrenaline, blood is no joke.

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@Grendel: You bring up a good point about not selling to those who abuse alcohol. In other states they reissue you a license/ID with a red stripe across it and establishments do in fact get in trouble if they serve you.

@ChickenLittle: It does not bother me that you disagree with me, but I do not understand most of your post. The article does not say they were in a building; I see no mention of bloody stairs or locked buildings; what is your tangent about pellet guns, and guns at school. I agree that the JPD should be thanked, even though they are often put down in the comments; however, they were called to the hospital on this one, so why do you talk about them dealing with blood? I am truly trying to understand what you are talking about.

The fact is that if someone came along and cleaned up downtown like Rudy Giuliani did to Times Square, then Juneauites would be complaining that downtown is now DISNEYFIED and not a 'real' local destination. Most likely, people just like to b itch and moan.

You would never see someone drunk in town it was not allowed.

@Grrrl: I am sure that you are correct that the complaining would not stop if downtown was cleaned up (or ever for that matter); however, I do not think that is a good enough argument to not try and do something about it. Not saying that you are using it as an argument to not try. Downtown is already not really that authentic, the Red Dog was not in the same place in the olden days, and the fronts have been changed a bit. I am not sure how that all ties into the social problems downtown, but I do agree that caution must be taken when trying to do anything major to a city.

@Grendel: That is good, you are saying it is already in place, right?

If you are court ordered to not be in possession of alcohol, and not be in a place that sells or serves, your ID/Drivers license has a red bar in the left center, instead of a blue one. It's the blue line with white lettering "DRIVERS LICENSE". If you card someone, who has the red line, you're not supposed to sell to them. I understand from TAP class that Anchorage has a city ordinance that everybody buying alcohol must be carded, regardless of age. Juneau does not have this requirement.

It's not a federal reg. Although it's not a bad idea. I think Fairbanks does the same sort of thing but you know, it's plain that both anchorage and fairbanks have more than their share of drunks wandering around so the question to ask is does it do any good?

Thank you. Well even if it is not helping keep drunks off the street, carding everyone sounds like a reasonable idea. I could see how in the small villages that could be a hassle since they do not have a DMV; but in Juneau I do not see why it shouldn't be enacted. The only bad thing I can think of is the inconvenience for individuals who forgot their ID that day.

What the drunk wants is not your cigarette or spare change in reality. He wants a miracle cure and a roof. He wants desparately to be invisible while sick and get the day's booze need soothed. Think about it~! What is $2 going to do for anyone other than another bottle of way too crappy tasting and over powered beer. If you want to help, give these people a sandwich, a coat, anything but not little bits of money. Giving money makes you an enabler. You know what it's going for yet for the ease of getting this bum out of your face...75cents! The downtown area is not unlike almost every city in America. In that when the clock strikes 4:30, the dynamics totally reverse from the secretaries and their bosses, to the street people. The main reason the area has not gone through a huge change is not unlike the change that Seattle went through after the Kingdome was built. Before, Pioneer square was "drunk n hooker central". The influx of the mass suburbanites for football games made the city clamp down and what occurred is a not too bad place to walk around now. If the cruise lines demanded better ambiance and had a reason, the dynamics would change, I guarrantee it. Look at the $$$ spent on a stupid boardwalk instead of needed "DOWNTOWN" renewal. But as long as alcohol is available and the innkeepers are more greedy than community oriented, it won't change and most of you will not do anything but not go or start demanding the police presence gets larger to the city fathers. The place will remain the almost slum it is, until those that are in control have a $$$ reason to make a change or fear losing the next election. Sadly the people that have the power don't go there at night either. All of your above stated reasons relate and for most it's just too big a job. Everyone wants change, nobody wants to be the guy who tidies up. It won't happen until the drunken guy stabbing or who gets stabbed is one of their own. Peace!

Those are some good points, and while I do not drink personally, I am against charging people who do so responsibly. Also, good thinking about the passports, military and other forms of ID; that would be over the head of CBJ.

I'm not sure prohibition of panhandling is worth an amendment to the state constitution - in any state. That sounds like a local issue, even if it may pop-up in every locality. We have city ordinances regarding bear-proofed trashcans, but I dont think that should rise to the level of bear-proofing the state.