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Floyd Dryden students get hunters' ed.

Organizer touts state support for program

Posted: October 24, 2012 - 12:03am
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Floyd Dryden Middle School sixth-grader Tali Hadfield gets instruction on using a pellet rifle during a Hunter Education course at the Alaska Department of Fish & Game Juneau Hunter Education Shooting Complex on Tuesday.  Michael Penn / Juneau Empire
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Floyd Dryden Middle School sixth-grader Tali Hadfield gets instruction on using a pellet rifle during a Hunter Education course at the Alaska Department of Fish & Game Juneau Hunter Education Shooting Complex on Tuesday.

About 200 sixth-graders at Floyd Dryden Middle School are participating this week in the Alaska Department of Fish and Game’s Hunters’ Education and Firearms Safety Program.

The program teaches adolescents how to safely handle and shoot rifles, as well as hunting ethics, conservation and management, navigation and other outdoor skills.

But longtime organizer Ken Coate stressed that teaching kids to become outdoorsmen is not the aim of the program.

“We aren’t here to create little hunters,” Coate said. “We’re here to teach firearm safety, firearm handling, how to treat a firearm with respect, how to keep a kid from getting in trouble with a firearm — and everything else is a side benefit.”

Floyd Dryden Principal Tom Milliron made a similar point in a letter to parents.

“Some students may not plan to hunt or may not be interested in outdoor activities,” the Oct. 8 letter stated, “however firearm safety and outdoor safety are essential skills for kids growing up in Southeast Alaska. Students who live in homes without firearms are often exposed to firearms in their friends’ homes. They need to understand safe and appropriate behavior in these situations.”

Students who complete the Floyd Dryden Outdoor Skills program, as Milliron called it in his letter, will receive a hunter education card recognized in all 50 states, issued by the ADF&G.

After a mandatory four hours spent learning firearms handling and safety in the classroom, participating sixth-grade students head out to the range for additional instruction — including live-firing, under careful supervision, .22-caliber rifles.

At the Juneau Hunter Education Facility and Indoor Shooting Range, one randomly selected group of students practices shooting with air rifles, while the other students use gunpowder-fired rifles, Range Manager Frank Zmuda said.

“We use the same caliber on both firearms, so that they get a similar experience, and the only difference is the propellant,” explained Zmuda. “One is powder and one is gas.”

Zmuda said staff at the range brief the kids on safety, while additional volunteers supervise them to make sure they are safe.

“We try to get one per student, but … no less than one per two students, so there is an adult immediately in the vicinity to make sure no unsafe acts occur,” Zmuda said.

Students also learn how to use a map and compass, when it is improper to take a shot while hunting and other skills at the JHEF.

On Tuesday morning, Commissioner Mike Hanley of the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development and Michael Lesmann, special staff assistant to Gov. Sean Parnell, were among special guests who spoke to several classes of students at Floyd Dryden about the program.

Lesmann told students they are fortunate to take a more comprehensive program than the one he took in his home state of North Dakota, while Hanley said he got his hunter education card with his son, calling it a “great opportunity” and “probably the best thing I did.”

“You guys are fortunate,” said Hanley to one class. “Not a lot of kids have this opportunity. I’m excited for you.”

Rep. Cathy Muñoz, R-Juneau, who represents the Mendenhall Valley in the Alaska House of Representatives, spoke to the students as well.

“We live in a land very closely tied to the outdoors, and our culture is very much tied to the hunting and outdoor recreation lifestyle, so this opportunity to learn about safety in the out-of-doors is really tremendous,” Muñoz told another class. “It’s a skill that you’ll carry with you for the rest of your life.”

Coate thanked Hanley, Lesmann and Muñoz for their support of the program. In one classroom of students, he remarked, “Without the commissioner’s support, this class would not happen. Without the governor’s support, this class wouldn’t happen. Without legislative support, this class doesn’t happen.”

The program is hosted by the University of Alaska Fairbanks Cooperative Extension Program 4-H Outdoor Skills Club, Coate said. He said he has also been involved with efforts to bring the curriculum to other middle schools across Alaska, including in outlying Southeast Alaska communities like Angoon and Yakutat.

“My dream is that every sixth-grader in the state has firearms safety and hunter education at the sixth-grade level,” said Coate. He said he wants to prevent gun accidents, adding that when a firearms-related mishap occurs, “It’s not the gun’s fault. It’s the people’s fault.”

“That’s right,” Muñoz agreed.

But after 12 years of coordinating Floyd Dryden’s annual course and six years of the same at Dzantik’i Heeni Middle School, Coate said it is time to pass the torch to a group of younger volunteers.

“This program’s been in place,” said Coate, who is retired. “It’s got enough people to make it work.”

Hunters’ ed will come to Dzantik’i Heeni early next March. Coate said he will be out of town at the time, though he invited others to volunteer as instructors for the program.

• Contact reporter Mark D. Miller at 523-2279 or at mark.d.miller@juneauempire.com.

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Latitude58
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Latitude58 10/24/12 - 04:12 am
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The two brothers

Who had the gun accident this year where one brother lost his leg... Those two should be up there talking to those kids, telling them their story. Can't think of a more appropriate lesson to pass on.

Really glad to hear about this program.

skirkz
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skirkz 10/24/12 - 06:44 am
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Great job, Ken!

Can't tell you how lucky these kids have been to get this training from you. I hope your successor is as qualified and passionate about gun safety as you. Great program! Hope to see it continue to grow.

Nic
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Nic 10/24/12 - 06:49 am
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Oops, I shot my friend

Obviously, Dick Cheney never took this course.

AKjustice
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AKjustice 10/24/12 - 06:50 am
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Gun saftey

This is an important subject and good safety training. I am very happy to hear about these classes.

Great job gang, keep up the great work.

abnotey
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abnotey 10/24/12 - 08:49 am
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Teaching kids how to shoot

Teaching kids how to shoot their way out of every situation,
unbelievable.

Kids do not have the emotional maturity for this.
Let the parents that have guns in homes teach their kids.

abnotey
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abnotey 10/24/12 - 09:07 am
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We know who to hold

We know who to hold accountable when guns show up at school, school yards or the movie theater or.......
Kids that are not fully developed or mature, surging with hormones and emotions are being taught how to use guns.

Commissioner Mike Hanley of the Alaska Department of Education, Ken Coate,
Rep. Cathy Muñoz,Tom Milliron, Michael Lesmann, and Gov. Sean Parnell:

Do these children know how to balance a check book save money and plan for retirement? And please explain to me why we do not allow these same kids to get a driver’s license?

skirkz
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skirkz 10/24/12 - 08:58 am
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abnotey

Kids who have parents without guns occasionally find themselves in the presence of firearms in someone elses company. Being aware of the safety issues surrounding the handling of guns, whether by themselves or by others, could avert a tragedy. I have had personal experiences concerning this subject. I have been shot intentionally and accidentally. My son has also been shot because of the lack of respect of firearms by his friend. We are both lucky to be alive. And we both had parental instruction in firearm safety. It didn't save us from the idiots that shot us. Kudos to Ken Coate and 4-H!

SueDoeNimby
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SueDoeNimby 10/24/12 - 08:56 am
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Abnotey, your comment makes

Abnotey, your comment makes me embarrassed for you. I suppose you also advocate teaching sexual abstinence in the schools?

alaskagrown
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alaskagrown 10/24/12 - 09:04 am
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Guns and Alaska

All of my children took this course. It is PHENOMENAL and the instructors do a great job teaching the kids about gun safety. abnotey, your reasoning is incredibly flawed and short-sighted. People don't show up with guns at school, school yards or movie theaters simply because they were exposed to guns and gun safety at school. Really? Their problems are rooted in a whole lot of other issues. The fact of the matter is we live in a state where hunting and guns are everywhere. We can't put our children into a bubble or think that by not exposing them or others that they will be safe. What happens when they go to visit a friend? I would venture to guess that those who have taken the course are probably some of our safest youth and adults to be around...and they could probably put dinner on the table if they had to or wanted to.

abnotey
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abnotey 10/24/12 - 09:04 am
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sue do you think I care about

sue do you think I care about what you think?

swimmergirl
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swimmergirl 10/24/12 - 09:23 am
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Kudos to Floyd Dryden...

For an excellent program. The principal there is absolutely correct - even if kids don't have firearms in their own homes, they most certainly have at least one friend who's parents DO have firearms. The more people aware of and practicing safety precautions, the less likely it is that someone will be accidentally shot. And maybe a couple of kids will talk to their parents about trigger locks, separating ammunition from firearms, etc.

Good work Ken, and all the volunteers!

Latitude58
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Latitude58 10/24/12 - 09:29 am
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abnotey

I think you do care, or you wouldn't be posting here.

When I was young and "surging with hormones" I took a safety class like this in school. At that time it was put on by the NRA (before they became a lobbying organization for the gun worshipers/industry).

It was the best thing I could have done. Having a knowledgeable, committed adult (who wasn't my dad) taking the time to teach me about something that I was actually interested in...he had my full attention. How many times does THAT happen with a sixth grader? And he was able to take advantage of my attention to impart some really important lessons about responsibility, safety, and ethics.

He gave me the tools to channel my hormones and interest in a responsible direction. My dad knew a lot about guns and hunting, but he never could have commanded my attention like this outside guy did, due to the tensions between boys and their dads sometimes. And that guy also had a proven curriculum and years of experience teaching it. My dad would not have been as thorough or organized.

Many kids grow up in households with no dad (or parent who is knowledgeable about firearms).

I fully support this. If a parent has heartburn with it, fine, they should be able to exclude their kid. But it would be a mistake on their part.

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cheeesypoof 10/24/12 - 10:17 am
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abotney,

I don't think the people you listed as those we can blame for gun violence are incentivizing gun irresponsibility. In fact, they are providing the education necessary for responsible gun handling. No one is buying guns for kids. No one is handing a gun to a kid and saying "have fun, kiddo. Don't kill anyone."

I don't know what your problems are here, but I know one thing, you don't have a clue what this program entails.

There is no question that a better understanding and respect for firearms contributes to more responsible firearm handling. You're suggesting we forget about the accidents that have occured over the last decade here in Juneau and do nothing to prevent them from happening again.

It's not to say educated gun handlers don't make mistakes, but proper education will greatly reduce the chances of these mistakes occuring. Respect for the firearm is key. Kids with no understanding beyond TV shows have zero respect for firearms. And you want to suggest your solution of keeping the status quo is our best option? I can't imagine the clueless world you live in, but you should consider taking a hunter's ed course yourself. I guarantee it wouldn't hurt.

snuzyouluz
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snuzyouluz 10/24/12 - 10:57 am
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Guns don't kill people

People kill people.

So, why wouldn't you want people (of all ages) to be educated about gun safety verses the alternative - ignorance about guns and gun safety?

I would like to see the stats that prove gun safety education taught in schools directly correlates to kids shooting kids at school.

Meanwhile, continue to let your kids play violent shoot-em up video games but don't dare let them learn about gun safety. What kind of message are you really sending, as parents, to your kids?

kpawsuh
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kpawsuh 10/24/12 - 11:02 am
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Its the same as drivers ed.

Its the same as drivers ed. Would you ever for a second consider giving them the keys to a several thousand pound steel projectile without having taken drivers ed? Oh, wait a minute...

AKjustice
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AKjustice 10/24/12 - 06:52 pm
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Great responces

Glad to see most everyone supports this type of training. It truly is best to learn and understand the dangers of fire arms.

Many years ago I had an accident with one of my firearms. Because I had been trained and was practicing safety, no one was hurt. It is just good information to know; like not smoking when fueling your car or watching TV in the bath tube. Know what I mean?

wren
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wren 10/24/12 - 12:39 pm
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Awesome!!!

Kids play games that involve firearms. They don't know about the dangers that go along with guns. If they get their training from playing Modern Warfare there will be unfortunate accidents. This class brings firearms back to reality so they won't see a gun at home or at a friends house, pick it up and play with it.

Thank you for putting on this class! There is no down side here.

MistiNeville
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MistiNeville 10/24/12 - 04:57 pm
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@ abotney

Hey abotney! Since you seem to be so angry and burdened by this program that you felt the need to ask pointless questions of Commissioner Mike Hanley, Ken Coate, Rep. Cathy Muñoz,Tom Milliron, Michael Lesmann, and Gov. Sean Parnell, why don't you give us (them) your real name so that they may address you in a professional manner; if they so chose.

Also, let's try this abotney: How about we put you in a room full of 12 year old kids with no gun experience whatsoever, a loaded gun in their hands and see how you feel about that situation.

There are guns in this world. And there are irresponsible adult gun owners. Let's hope the kid that finds the gun knows how to handle it safely. With programs like this, the odds are in the kids favor that no one will be hurt when some ADULT leaves a loaded gun out.

MistiNeville
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MistiNeville 10/24/12 - 05:13 pm
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@ Empire

How about next time the title state :"Floyd Dryden students receive gun safety training". Especially since Mr. Coate made a point of stating that the training wasn't about making hunters out of the kids.

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Paul Nowlin 10/25/12 - 07:38 am
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This program is good

I see posts against this, and I have to say that while your heart may be in the right place about keeping guns out of kids hands, being against education is a flawed way of doing that. My 12 year old neighbor accidentally shot and killed himself while cleaning his gun one day. My classmate's leg was shot, so bad it had to be amputated, by his cousin as they exited the vehicle to go hunting. I could go on and on, but if they had been educated these accidents would not happen. Of course, no one wants kids to go into a school with a gun, but this has nothing to do with that, and gun safety does not encourage that behavior.

To prevent school shootings we are talking about addressing bullying and/or mental illness, not gun education.

If any of you doubt this classes importance, I encourage you to take it yourself and then have a educated opinion about it; otherwise please do not discourage the children from having this knowledge, or we could see accidents happen that could have been avoided. Please do not be stubborn on this subject.

To those who support the program: be encouraging to those who doubt it, putting them down will not do anything positive. My only concern is that those who doubt it will take their own kids out of it, or worse get it shut down. It is too sad when a child is ignorant of firearms and ends up disabled or dead because of it. We teach our children to look both ways for cars before crossing the street, not because they drive cars, but because cars exist; well guns exist too.

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