Gun rights advocates listen to Thom Buzard speak from the Capitol steps during the .223 Day of Resistance Rally on Saturday. About 60 people attended.
HHHHmmmm wonder why things didn’t go so good in these circumstances:
Ottoman Turkey Genocide: 1915-1917 Killed Armenians 1-1.5 million:
Gun Control enacted: 1886-1911
Soviet Union Genocide: 1929-1953 Killed Anti-Communists / Anti-Stalinists 20 million
Gun Control enacted: 1929
Nazi Germany Genocide: 1933-1945 Jews, Gypsies, Anti-Nazis Killed 13 million Gun Control enacted: 1928-1938 Law on Firearms & Ammunition
(Including regulations specifically banning Jews from owning any weapons)
China Genocide: 1949-1952 1957-1960 1966-1976 Anti- Communists Rural Populations Pro-Reform Groups: Killed 20 million
Gun Control enacted 1935-1957
Guatemala Genocide: 1960-1981 Maya Indians 100,000
Gun Control enacted 1871-1964
Uganda Genocide: 1971-1979 Christians Political Rivals 300,000
Gun Control enacted 1955-1970 Firearms Ordinance Firearms Act
Cambodia Genocide: 1975-1979 Educated Persons 1 million
Gun Control enacted: 1956
Let us not get confused with the facts, it is the allegations that are the most important around here!
So, lets take roll call just to make sure we didn't miss anyone.
On this side are the libs, appeasers, traders, and just plain weak livered and helpless amerikants and even though we have tried to educate them they are just not able to learn the lessons of liberty and freedom. Most of our class knows and understands the gun made it all possible.
Over here we have those people that through the grace of God were born into environments that taught and practiced those qualities held most dear; Liberty and freedom. Environments that believe in the inalienable rights granted by our creator and written into our great Constitution. We will now pray for our miss fortunate classmates and ask the Lord to open their collective eyes so they too may see the mussel flash and feel the warmth of the gun.
I have had words with most all you commies in this forum. Your elitist attitudes coupled with your snide remarks and air of superiority fowl the very environments of your occupation.
The .223 Day of Resistance Rally was very well advertised. You weak willed and weak minded cowards did not have the nerve or constitution to even show up and protest against we freedom loving people. You really have no idea what was said there because you are to afraid to face us on a personal level and try to sell your leftist drivel to us. You chickens had your chance and you missed it.
For your pathetic edification, you will get another chance to group up and demonstrate against us. We will let you know the time and the place. Be there if you dare!
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
Thanks for representing the extreme side akjustice. It illustrates very well how you can't make a point without trying to rip apart the opposing view. You can call anyone whatever you want but doesn't change the fact no one is trying to take your guns away. There is a debate going on now how to reduce or eliminate mass murders at the end of a barrel. Your post proves that your unwillingness to engage in debate. Be apart of the debate instead of opposing any change. Like many responsible gun owners I would gladly let the government limit certain types of guns if it will help stop the trajetys that happen.
This view of all or nothing is what is ruining our democracy, it's not someone trying to stop senseless murder.
Again, I encourage you to be apart of the discussion instead of clouding the issue and thinking your America is the only one. Because its not, my America wants to actually change and become better, not remain in the past. Final thought, every time you insult someone while trying to express your view, you only come across as, well ill just point to all the names you used in your latest post. :)
You can say what you want,but you cant say it around here, if you do they'll catch you and give you a whipping!
The posted speed limit is 50 mph. Any motorized vehicle will be regulated with a governor switch to restrict speed to the posted limit. Non compliance with this restriction will result in seizure of said vehicle, a prison sentence, fines and loss of drivers license.
Criminals can steal a vehicle and perpetuate violence with them. Therefore any vehicle will be properly secured in a locked garage with the fuel removed and kept in a separate location. Non compliance with this restriction will result in seizure of said vehicle, a prison sentence, fines and loss of drivers licence.
All hammers, knives, or anything that can be used to perpetuate a crime must be kept under lock and key. If a criminal gains access to any implement of yours that could possibly cause harm against another, you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Non compliance with any of the mentioned above will result in the accused being placed on a public offender list database.
Seems over the top but if it meant eliminating needless deaths that account for thousands upon thousands a year, I'd gladly continue to follow the law.
What are you prepared to do to address these deaths? Other then shifting the issue that is.
Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns“The president is going to act,” said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. “There are executives orders, there’s executive action that can be taken.
We haven’t decided what that is yet. But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”
Biden said that this is a moral issue and that “it’s critically important that we act.”
Biden talked also about taking responsible action. “As the president said, if you’re actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking. But I’m convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm’s way if we act responsibly.”
Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.
"I don't believe that people should be able to own guns."
Barak Obama, as quoted to John R. Lott, Jr., PhD,
while both were working at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. From the book "Debacle", by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher
Q. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate , Apr 16, 2008
"I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry."
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 , Aug 14, 2007
I am not an LEO, I will prepare to do nothing to address these deaths. I am not in an authoritative position to do anything but defend myself and my family if the need ever arises.
What I will do though, is continue to hold on to my beliefs, my principles and stand by my convictions.
I will pay attention to proposed legislation and remember those law makers who do what I believe is right and vote accordingly
We know that stupid can not be fixed so you libs just move to the back of the room and pretend to continue to learn about our great nation whispering those commie ideas and the rest of the class should now move to the front of the room.
Today we are going to discuss the second amendment to the Constitution. It says"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Now can anyone, this includes you kids in the back of the room, tell me just which arms or how many arms this amendment is talking about?
A shout out from the back of the room said, "uh I think it's my left arm"
In the front Johny said, "all I see is arms, does that mean all guns"
"Yes Johny, it does mean all guns and it also says and means that the government shall not try to take away our weapons for any reason. That means they can not take them without first going through the process of repealing the Second Amendment which will require the redification of the Amendment by 34 states in our great country."
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
Frank Lloyd Wright
"The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.
The second amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers
of the national government."
The Supreme Court of the United States, in U.S. v. Cruikshank
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose..." Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in District of Columbia v. Heller ruling.
Let me ask you pro-gun control people this; Why are you so interested in trashing my Constitutional rights? Is it because you don't own guns and have no vested interest in this fight other than to see your agenda imposed upon others who don't share your political persuasion? You would have my 2nd and 4th Amendment rights thrown out the window to satisfy some make believe sense security you think it would offer to you.
Answer me this, Chicago is one of the most heavily regulated cities as far as gun control goes. Has it made that city any safer? Go check their murder rate and get back with me about that. While you are there, look up Washington DC's stats too, they have also enacted years of gun control in the name of "public safety".
You say that "No one is coming to grab your guns". Well, several states have purposed legislation that would allow state government to do exactly that! The forfeiture of prohibited firearms within state lines and the authority of law enforcement to enter a home to seize them. Why would you seek to criminalize otherwise law-abiding citizens?!
If you goal is truly to stop mass-casualty incidents from happening, then you are barking up the wrong tree! These killings are not being committed by the type of people who protested today yet they are who is being targeted by the anti-gun crowd. These incidents are being committed by mentally ill criminals who have no regard for law. That is where your attention should be focused, not a law-abiding citizen who has never used their gun to commit a crime. The gun is but a tool to be used in a manner which the user intends. It is inanimate and not capable of thought, reason, feelings or action yet you would believe by targeting the gun, you will stop a killer from acting. Makes no sense to me.
You poor take courage, you rich take care, this world was made a common treasury for everyone to share. All things in common, all people one. We come in peace-the orders came to cut them down-Leon Rosselson
Hunting weapons like rifles or shotguns are fine by me...Pistols are ok...but machines that can vaporize second-graders?
As with everything else, there ARE limits.
France has a higher number of guns in the hands of civilians than Canada. They are the 12th most gun owning country in the world.
It's a bogus argument to my simple point, which you seem to miss: high rates of gun ownership does not cause high rates of gun gun violence.
If that were so Switzerland and Finland would both be awash in gun deaths.
Yemen-#2 in gun ownership-actually has a lower rate of gun violence than the USA.
What is it about Americans that we shoot each other so readily?
You say there are limits. Who decides what that limit is? Who is to say what is ok for me to own and what is not? Shotguns and handguns are ok but machine guns are not?!
That statement shows exactly what is wrong with this whole argument! People just do not understand what they are trying to ban and why! This is what is so maddening about this situation. If you are proposing to infringe on my rights, you better educate yourself on the issue and know what the heck you are talking about!!!
Handguns are ok?! The overwhelming majority of gun related deaths in the US are committed with handguns!
Shotguns are ok?! Remember Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine murders? They committed that heinous act using shotguns and handguns! While a gun ban was in effect I might add.
Machine guns are not ok?! Ummm... someone please tell me when the last mass murder, or any murder for that matter, was committed with a machine gun.
I am not advocating the ban of hand guns or shotguns or the outright legalization/un-regulation of class 3 automatic firearms (machine guns) but I just want to point out the absurdness of the comment made above by someone who would like to infringe upon my right to own a specific type of firearm.
"This view of all or nothing is what is ruining our democracy, it's not someone trying to stop senseless murder."
I seriously thought about posting the definition of a democracy and a republic, but decided not to in favor of asking you and anyone else to search out the difference between the two in hopes you find the true nature of our great nation.
The United States of America is a Republic. Not a Democracy.
an awfull lot of people here who, when confronted by anothers rights, would be content to tell Rosa Parks to go BACK to the rear of the bus, and tell Mr. King to sit down and shut up! Well, a civil right is just that, a CIVIL RIGHT, only evil advocates removing them from a populace that is entitled to said rights. AND the second amendment might be the only one capable of protecting all the rest.
Whenever you hear or read about “rights” in this country, you should naturally and automatically equate them with “responsibilities.” You have the right to free speech. You have the responsibility to exercise that right in a manner that doesn’t cause harm to others (falsely yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater). You have the right to vote. You have the responsibility to register ahead of an election and report your address to determine your district.
You have the right to keep and bear arms. You have the responsibility to make sure these arms are kept safe and away from those that would harm others. So when we as a nation wish to place restrictions on straw purchasers or eliminate private sale loopholes that circumvent background checks, these are not a loss of rights, they are an increase in responsibility.
We have those already, why, like in Chicago, are they totally ignored in favor of yet more restrictions that will do nothing? Can we not at least TRY what we have? They are brand new and as yet untried. The present situation is a joke!
Hate to break it to you, but what 'protects' our rights is not a bunch of thugs strutting around the streets with their guns slung over their shoulders - it's our nation's Constitution with the rule of law, and the checks and balances contained therein.
Only Congress can pass legislation, and only the President can sign that legislation into law. And only the Supreme Court is granted the authority to determine if those laws are constitutional. Not some gun-toting bozos with an inflated sense of self-importance. That's civics 101.
For people who claim to treasure the Constitution, you guys sure are quick to flush it down the toilet when you discover that it might allow laws that you don't agree with.
Your options? Vote for someone who represents your values. Or run for elected office yourself. Or become a judge and be appointed to the Supreme Court. Or emigrate to a country more to your liking.
But taking the law into your own hands and threatening violence against those who are legally appointed to do their jobs under the Constitution...that just makes you common criminals, or domestic terrorists.
"NRA kills kids would be more apt".
Can anybody be any more full of hatred or ignorance than someone who would make such a comment or believe in such a comment? And yet, thousands actually believe this. They believe that we law abiding Americans, we NRA members are "child killers". What happened to all of that liberal "Luv" and "Tolerance" with a capital T?
Well, seems to me that it is absolutely obvious who it is that simply can NOT think at all...
I see the fact that the US has the highest rate of gun ownership as direct correlation to the US having the most freedom.
Do you know why Tunisia and Egypt had the lowest rates of gun ownership? Because they were not allowed to owns guns by the oppressive governments that they had to overthrow; …and you want the US to go down that same path? Less freedoms?
But I cannot argue the fact that less guns would mean less gun violence…
But, if we applied that same logic to cars, and we got rid of peoples freedom to own vechicles then I am sure our vechicle death rate would go down also.
If AKJustice was riding on the same bus that Rosa was on, and Rosa had whipped out a piece to defend her right to her seat...would AKJ have used his firearm to help defend Rosa? Or against Rosa?
I'm pretty sure I know which path he would have chosen. Same goes for most of the participants in yesterday's little event.
Lat, Ya really need to read the Federalist Papers to know why the amendments exist and who wrote them and what they are for! Most of the time you come across pretty well, but you put your foot in your mouth when you spout off about what you don't know! EDUCATION FIRST!
Someone above asked "Why do you need and AR-15?" Well let me tell you, EXACTLY why I choose to own an AR-10 in .308 Winchester with a 24" Barrel. " A for real 1000Yd Weapon. When the AML Barges quit delivering food to Juneau, just how long to do you think it will take, the Junaue'tics to come looking for food, out here in the bush? How much Fighting, and Killing, do you think will be happening in town, over the last scraps, on SuperBears shelves? There are NO roads that connect ME to you, so you will be coming by Boat or Plane, and I am going to persuade you that there are easier Pick'ens, elsewhere, and do it before you even get a chance to land, on water or Land. I have My Food, and Supplies, and I am not sharing them with YOU or ANYONE else, just because you were like the Foolish Grasshopper, and didn't see the problems coming. Oh Yea, that AR-10 works really good on Moose, as well.....
Another person asked "When has the regular citizen had to take up arms to protect your rights lately?" Well Sonny, every time a citizen, protects themselves with a Weapon, from intrusion into his HOME, by an Armed BadGuy, he is protecting YOU, from that same BadGuy, who if he gets away with his Crime, just goes on, to do it AGAIN. These incidents happen, multiple times a Day, in the USA, and are reported in MANY local News Reports. Just because you do NOT see the Reports, Doesn't mean they do NOT Happen. They don't happen very Often, here in Alaska, because the BadGuys KNOW, that Alaska is the MOST Armed State, per Population, in the USA, and they do NOT want to be challenged by an Alaskan, DEFENDING his Family, His Liberty, and his Goods, against some Druggie looking to Score. If you feel threatened, by that Knowledge, then Kommiefornia, and New York State, are calling you... "Don't let the Door, hit you in the A**, on your way out of town"
You are correct Angelcrusher. If you chose to own a firearm, you do have a great responsibility to keep and care for that firearm. Most owners would agree with you. I also agree that there should be laws against straw buyers and there already are laws on the books. Problem is, those laws are not enforced at all! Background checks at gun shows and for private sales, yes please! Keeping guns out of the hands of people who should not have them should be a priority for any gun owner. These are the type of people who have made things so difficult for those of us who legally own. I do, however, draw the line at registration. There is no need for the govt to keep any list of legal owners!
Where the problem lies is that pro-gun control people are not happy with stopping there. They wish to ban things such as 30rd mags, pistol grips, adjustable stocks and certain makes of firearms. None of these cosmetic attachments make a gun any more or less lethal yet they are at the top of the list of things to ban. This is where pro-gun control people loose the support of most gun owners.
I would be willing to support legislation that would effectively help to keep guns out of the hands of people who have no business with them. That just makes sense. What I will not support is legislation which punishes otherwise legal and legitimate gun owners who have never nor will ever commit a crime with their gun.
I would also support legislation which targets the true cause of these incidents. Mentally ill criminals. The mental health community needs an overhaul to help identify and stop these people from acting out against others. I am not a mental health expert so I would not know where to begin or what needs to be done but that is where our problem as a Nation exists. Not with legal gun owners.
El Boorba, your really going to use Egypt as an example of how non-gun ownership works for the masses??? do you even watch or read any news?? Egypt is F@#$ed right now.
Alaskastu, Lots of personal guns either in homes or conceal carry's have prevented lots of crimes, you just don't hear about it on the mainstream.
Mike, your obvious love affair with Michelle "the largest tax spender for personal reasons" Obama is quite obvious, does your wife know about this?
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