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Empire editorial: Palin/Trump in 2012 - a marketing dream team

Posted: December 25, 2011 - 1:17am

Donald Trump delivered a special Christmas gift to editorial cartoonists, comedians and the late-night talk show hosts they write for when news broke Friday that The Donald is leaving the Grand Old Party to keep his options open for an independent Republican presidential bid in 2012.

This also, or course, would be a gift for the Democratic Party due to the loss of a juicy target like Herman Cain, the self-destruction of Michele Bachmann and the increasing marginalization of contenders like Ron Paul, John Huntsman and that guy from Texas who forgets things and falls asleep during debates.

Facing a Newt Gingrich or a Mitt Romney becomes ever-easier for the president when the birthers — who think Barack Obama is our modern Manchurian Candidate — have to decide whether to follow a candidate with at least one clue or rush like lemmings off a philosophical cliff behind a tea party flavor-of-the-week like Trump.

Every candidate needs a sidekick, and we have the perfect choice. Who has the scruffiness of a soccer mom and the lipstick of a pitbull, all wrapped up in the mystique that comes from living next to a biologically-dead lake in the wilds of urban Wasilla? Who has the experience of trekking down the national campaign trail, with the added benefit of several months as governor of an oil-producing state?

Donald Trump and Sarah Palin will be a dream team. They should be the next big Alaska-based reality show. More dirt than “Gold Rush Alaska,” more hard landings than “Flying Wild Alaska” and far more dangerous to America’s political future than “The Deadliest Catch” is to the boat crews — it’s Discovery’s “Trump/Palin in 2012.”

Pairing up a man who can’t stop talking with a woman who mangles the English language as well as history — it’s a natural choice and rife with possibilities. Will the Donald debate himself? Will Sarah read a newspaper and remember its name, much less the contents?

Please, Mr. Trump, the next Alaska tourism season will start just as your next season of “The Apprentice” ends. It’s perfect timing. Extra attention never hurts Alaska’s economy, and Palin can probably deliver whichever state she spends the most time in, unless that state is Alaska.

We appreciate your spirit of sharing, Mr. Trump. You are a guy whose lawyer says has pledged to use his personal wealth to “level the playing field” against incumbent Obama. (You might want to watch “Citizen Kane,” and then check the real history of William Randolph Hearst first, though. They say the smartest politicos use other people’s money.)

Should you take our sound advice, Mr. Trump, and take on our former governor, we caution you to also take a step Sen. John McCain apparently gave little attention to during his last run with Palin — check her references.

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Jo MacNamara
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Jo MacNamara 12/25/11 - 07:01 am
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Narcissism

They could form a new party! The Narcissist Party!

This was a great editorial. These two are so hilarious. It makes you wonder about Donald though. I mean, sometimes I think he says dumb stuff just to keep the cameras on his comb-over as much as possible, and to get as much media attention about the least substantial things. It's all about his ego.

Then, there's our former half-gov, who dangled a carrot for her groupies until she announced she wasn't running for POTUS. No one has seen nor heard from her since. She is frolicking in the safe throwing millions of dollars into the air screaming, "Whoopeee! Everyone wishes they were me me me me me!"

Obama will easily sail to victory next year. The GOP has been hijacked by the most insane of the most insane. Moderate voters will see this and will re-elect Obama.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/25/11 - 08:18 am
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I gotta say...

I'm appreciating this new saltiness in the Empire Editorials. No longer the bland Wonder Bread we used to get.

But really, picking on Trump and Palin? I mean, can't you come up with a bit more challenging of a subject? It's like going to the carnival and trying to hit the target that sends the guy into the dunk tank...except he's already under water.

billb
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billb 12/25/11 - 09:17 am
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Editorial

GREAT GREAT piece of writing!

nottacheechako
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nottacheechako 12/25/11 - 10:26 am
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Bah humbug, this would have

Bah humbug, this would have been appropriate for Mondays editorial. You could have done a great piece on the generosity of the secret Santas in Juneau for Christmas.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/25/11 - 11:54 am
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cheechee

You got three front-page Christmas feel-good articles, a Christmas TOE cartoon, and a religious piece from the bishop. How much more do you want?

I think you're just grumpy because they picked on your princess...oh, and Palin too.

nottacheechako
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nottacheechako 12/25/11 - 12:05 pm
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Lil tude, trust me, not a

Lil tude, trust me, not a fan of either the Donald or Sarah, the Empire had the opportunity to do something positive, which I guess it is was in your jaundiced eyes.

Merry Christmas

joegeldhof
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joegeldhof 12/25/11 - 01:14 pm
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Ho Ho Ho

A little early though for April Fool's editorial, don't you think?

ol trooper
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ol trooper 12/25/11 - 05:48 pm
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Really?

Just a waste of cyberspace to speculate about Palin/Trump
while the two biggest morons imaginable actually do occupy
the office POTUS and VP.

Calypso
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Calypso 12/25/11 - 05:54 pm
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This is what passes as

This is what passes as journalism in the rags today and the owners of newspapers can't figure out why their circulation numbers keep dropping. If a conservative had written such tripe about a woman they'd be accused of being a sexist.

And mr. john whatever your last name is, if in fact you were the one to write this, you had the gall last week to give us the definition of compassion.

What a two-faced embarrassment for an adult male you are.

And it is a little curious why you chose Christmas Day to publish your piece of crap.

If I subscribed to the hard copy of The Empire I'd be cancelling my subscription tomorrow.

I'm steamed - and who screams the loudest "can't we just get along"? Yeah, the loser progressives.

Sarah Palin has more class in her little finger.

billb
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billb 12/25/11 - 06:14 pm
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@calypso

You are showing your class buy even suggesting that Palin has any class.

ospreyy
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ospreyy 12/25/11 - 06:36 pm
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Next Reality Show: Moving the Capital

There goes whatever votes there were in the Mat Su Valley (population 85,000 and growing fast) for keeping the capital in Juneau (population 31,000 and shrinking). Mat Su Valley is even bigger than all of SE Alaska (71,000 and shrinking, although no one in Ketchikan would vote to keep Juneau the capital).

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/25/11 - 09:31 pm
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Looks like a couple boys...

...still have a little thing for Queen Sarah. Sorry fellas, she's yesterday's news, and that ain't gonna change. Oh, the heartbreak.

Ready to vote for Romney?

J. E. Fume
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J. E. Fume 12/26/11 - 12:07 am
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Palin has lots of class. She

Palin has lots of class. She pr!ck-tea$ed right-wing America into thinking she might be a presidential candidate and in the process suckered a bunch of people into putting millions in her bank account by purchasing her ghost-written books and letting her babble to a bunch of inbred hillbillies. I love how she conned a fortune out of a bunch of honest, hard-working, FOX News-watching suckers who now don't have money to contribute to real GOP candidates. I guess the Koch brothers will be forced to ante up even more to get one of their bootlicks elected.
I'm not overly enthralled with Barack, but if the current field is the best the GOP can muster then we are better off staying where we are. Where is Kermit the Frog when we need him?

Calypso
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Calypso 12/26/11 - 12:01 pm
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Sorry posters, I can't let

Sorry posters, I can't let this go.

And I quote from the Empire's editorial on January 2, 2011 - "What if people simply kept working together even when there is no scary opponent to unite them across party lines? We’re a small enough state population-wise that it just makes good sense to move past stigmatizing opposing viewpoints and demonizing those one disagrees with."

This was written in reference to the Miller-Murkowski election.

There's some real hatred of conservatives on the editorial board of the empire.

Real two-faced hatred.

I would encourage subscribers to cancel their subscriptions and also to send an email to Morris Communications and let them know what passes for journalism in one of their daily rags.

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joegeldhof 12/26/11 - 01:21 pm
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Calypso

Would you please provide some basis for you opinion that the Editorial Board at the Juneau Empire is against what you characterize as "conservative" positions, etc. Or if that is beyond your ability, could you just give a couple of examples of how the political personalities mentioned in the Empire editorial are genuinely "conservative" using your own subjective definition of what constitutes conservative.

The Empire provides a valuable forum for public opinion, including your opinion. There is no genuine reason to call for a boycott of the paper. If you really think the Empire is out of line and has a bias that you do not like, here's an idea that will allow you to demonstrate real character and genuine commitment to whatever principles you harbor: Go out and start your own competing publication or media outlet.

The media market in our little town is wide open to new opportunities. Put your thoughts and energy into developing a paper or other outlet instead of carping about the Empire.

In the modern world it has become commonplace for many to know what they don't like instead of what they like and Calypso is a good example of this phenomenon. The adult response to a position one doesn't like is to point out the flaws based on at least a little logic, a fact or two and reason. But of course in the modern world, fact, logic and reason are often overlooked. It's easier to engage in emotional diatribes and anonymous postings rather than present a coherent critique of what was obviously a tongue-in-cheek editorial commentary.

J. E. Fume
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J. E. Fume 12/26/11 - 02:33 pm
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Well put, Joe. I don't think

Well put, Joe. I don't think that The Empire would refuse to publish a letter-to-the-editor by Calypso. However, he would be forced to use his real name. He strikes me as a very angry individual.
I'm wondering if he's not just in a bad mood today because his wife didn't get him that new shoot-'em-up Playstation game for Christmas that he wanted.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/26/11 - 03:46 pm
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I'm gonna send an email too

Complaining to Morris about the endless stream of extreme right-wing Heritage Foundation rubbish that the Empire publishes on a regular basis.

There's some real hatred of progressives on the editorial board of the empire.

Real two-faced hatred.

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John R. Moses 12/26/11 - 03:54 pm
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Here's one more for the mix...

...pasted here from the comment boards on that Heritage Foundation column. If some on the right think we're too left and some on the left think there's too much copy from conservatives... sounds to me like we present a lot of different opinions on the Opinion page.

"goingvogue
Amen, Latitude 58 new
By goingvogue | 12/26/11 - 10:11 am

I made it about 1/3 of the way too before the nausea kicked in. Typical drival from the right. It's disappointing that the Empire persists in publishing the "gospel according to the Heritage Foundation". So, I'm "entitled" because I'm against corporations and banks manipulating tax laws and influencing government to decrease support to the PUBLIC programs put in place to maybe, possibly, prevent the downslide of the majority of this country's citizens into poverty, no education, poor heath, etc...due to the ensuing greed of the corporate beast? It's a vicious cycle, and blaming the victim is just another tread on the tank the right wing conservatives are driving over the rest of us.
And yes, why is there no mention of the entitlement the 1% feel to our tax dollars? Sleezy, biased article. Waste of ink."

Calypso
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Calypso 12/26/11 - 07:12 pm
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I don't believe that I

I don't believe that I mentioned one thing about there being too many liberal as oppossed to conservative opinion pieces.

Let me state my opinion one more time for those that want to attack me and spin what I wrote.

My beef is with the tone and even the choice of words written by the editorial board at the Empire in regards to Sarah Palin.

And, joe, don't spin it as being "obviously tongue-in-cheek". I'm not buying it and if it's so amusing to denegrate another human being let's choose someone on the left and write an "obviously tongue-in-cheek" article. Maybe the board could start with Dennis Egan or Beth Kerttula. It'll never happen.

And all the while those of us that post are being lectured, quite consistently, by the editorial board on civility.

Hypocrisy to the extreme.

And you know joegeldhof, I don't want to start a new paper - I want to call out the editors on this established paper when I see wrong.

And it's just wrong for a grown man to write such snark and tripe about a woman that he personally holds a grudge against or that he does not agree with politically.

Mr. Moses, think of it this way - would you be proud to have your daughter read this editorial, if in fact you wrote it?

p.s. - Did any of you know that Rick Perry had major back surgery last fall? Where's the compassion Mr. Moses?

billb
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billb 12/26/11 - 06:33 pm
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@Calypso

Sounds like sour grapes on your part! You can dish it out, but when someone turns it back on you you get ALL puffed up So sound very much like Tamalil

Calypso
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Calypso 12/26/11 - 07:07 pm
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Posts going into moderation

moderated post showed up...

joegeldhof
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joegeldhof 12/26/11 - 09:11 pm
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Calypso

Help us here with a little logic and a couple of facts. What on earth are you talking about when you state:

"And it's just wrong for a grown man to write such snark and tripe about a woman that he personally holds a grudge against or that he does not agree with politically."

Who are you talking about and how is this related to the story to which you take issue?

Calypso -- I take your point that you don't want to start a paper or media outlet of your own. I can see why it is easier to express an emotional opinion and act outraged anonymously in a "free" forum instead of having the courage to set up your outlet.

By now, as is abundantly obvious in the modern world, it is plain to see to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention that the world has an abundance of critics and not nearly enough "artists.' Of course, as a person who conceives of the world in a fundamentally conservative manner, I would say the same about the world of work anymore, i.e., everyone wants to be a commentator, boss, in charge, etc., etc. and not enough folks are willing to work.

Sarah Palin's time, at least in Alaska, has come and gone. She accomplished some good things while she was Governor and then quit. Most Alaskans view her a quitter and essentially nothing more than a personality in politics, not really a genuine politician. As a politician (and in any event), whether you agree with my opinion or not, she has projected herself out into the world where folks pass judgment on her based on their own criteria and values. Palin and Trump are essentially caricatures of political figures anymore and they work that niche pretty well. Of course folks are going to make fun of them. Is there something really wrong with that? These are adults, after all, and they put theselves out there for all to see, hear and evaluate.

Calypso --Get down to the core issue, OK? What is genuinely conservative about Trump or Palin in terms of their positions, values or actions? Give us a hint here Calypso. Some fact or a logical point that bolsters your viewpoint. Or how about touch of reason to back your opinionated ranting. Absent a little reason, a few facts or a hint of logic you sound like another highly opinionated person wandering around in the forest of feelings and disconnected to reality. America already has enough of that and it is causing havoc. Step it up a little bit, already.

Latitude58
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Latitude58 12/26/11 - 10:41 pm
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Mr. Moses

Don't be baited by Frenchie into feeling you have to write snark or tripe about Trump and Palin. I'll do it for you. You take the high road while I wallow in the filth. I'm comfortable down here - it suits me.

Calypso
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Calypso 12/26/11 - 10:54 pm
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@joe - you're no

@joe - you're no conservative, no matter what you write. I'd say a RINO, at best.

Moses = grown man

"scruffiness of a soccer mom and the lipstick of a pitbull, a woman who mangles the English language as well as history, Will Sarah read a newspaper and remember its name, much less the contents" = snark

Can you please explain the truth about why Palin quit and not what the mainstream media spun?

And then you write - "Of course folks are going to make fun of them" (referring to Palin and Trump). If you call what the leftist media did to Palin fun, your definition of fun is much different than mine. No human being and her family deserve the vitriole the Palins have endured.

You could do with a little less snark in your commentary too. It's pretty much off-putting and doesn't make others want to engage you so much.

Why do I consider Palin a conservative - it's simple - her love of country and God.

Petty, little, progressive Juneau got itself all in a snit over something in regards to Palin and following the progressive MO are in attack mode 3+ years hence.

I'm just going to wait for the big Empire editorial taking on the not-so-brilliant musings of Obama...starting with corPs-man and then inhalater and the Austrian language and 57 states...oh...he's so brilliant...I can't wait to read the musings...

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alyeska34 12/27/11 - 10:27 am
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Campaign slogan!

Trump/Palin - 2012
"You're Fired / I Quit!"

billb
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billb 12/27/11 - 10:34 am
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@calypso

Palin only loves money. She doesn't know what God is.

joegeldhof
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joegeldhof 12/27/11 - 11:08 am
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Calypso

The great temptation here is to ignore your bald conclusions. But I'm willing to point out the obvious just in case you decide to engage in analysis at some point.

Really, are we all supposed to defer to you as the person who gets to define the world and be the arbiter of labels? I am not conservative in your world. Great! You get to define the world. At best, I am a RINO, in your world. If I say something like: "If you say so" then I am engaging in snarky behavior. Nice little self-perpetuating universe you have going there Calypso.

As a matter of fact, I supported Sarah Palin when she ran for Governor. As a matter of fact, I said she did some good things as Governor in the string of comments above. Does that make me a "conservative" in your world? I did say (and I think that most Alaskans in general pretty much agree) that Palin quit and that a majority of Alaskans believe she has been consumed by personality driven activities. Does that make me a "liberal" in your world? The press, at least in part, has been rough on Palin but what do you or anyone, including Palin, expect when someone like Palin puts herself out there in the limelight?

Anyone that wants a quiet life is welcome to move to International Falls and cut wood and attend Mass. There isn't likely to be much media attention to these kinds of activities. Sarah Palin or any other politician cannot have it both ways when they engage in revved up conduct and behavior--you don't get to be on page one anywhere in the world by engaging in provocative behavior and making extreme comments and then get to demand privacy, etc., etc.

I read as a matter of course and regularly the National Review. Does that make me a "conservative" in your world?This publication regularly makes fun of and spoofs liberal politicians or at least politicians they perceive as liberal. I also read the New Yorker pretty much from cover-to-cover every week. Does that make me a "liberal" in your world? I also read many publications every week on national defense. Does that make me a "conservative" in your world?

Calypso--the entry level stakes anymore for engaging in civic discussion and debate, including political activities, are having a tough hide. Frankly, politics has always been that way. Richard Nixon had a rough ride. So do Bill Clinton. Much of their rough ride was a direct result of their own personality traits and weaknesses. The point being that Palin wasn't the person who drew some short straw to be Governor or the VP candidate. She wasn't put in office when she was absent from a meeting because nobody else wanted the job. She sought out the jobs and put herself into the public arena where brickbats are part of the activity.

And really, is there a cliche more over-utilized inappropriately than saying someone is a "conservative" based on their love of "God and Country." Harry Truman fought in WW I and attended church. Does that make him more or less conservative than Palin. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush both routinely went to church, wore little American flag pins on their lapels and said they loved their country even though they were essentially both draft dodgers with addiction issues. Neither one of these "Baby Boomer" Presidents serve as splendid examples of the dominant political cohorts in American politics. Neither one of theme qualifies as a conservative or a liberal in my world -- they were both hugely flawed individuals that accomplished some good things and made a lot of mistakes. Both are routinely vilified by folks as being horrible for this reason or that which is a good example of how expectations have distorted politics in a substantial way and that a lot of folks in America, including you based on your blog postings here, are essentially clueless when it comes to understanding the nature and scope of government and the difference between political leadership and political personalities . George Washington was a regular church goer for a lot of reasons, including practical and political but the evidence is pretty clear he didn't believe in the typical God figure as handed down by most churches. Where do you place America's first President -- as a conservative or a liberal? Maybe he was simply practical, aloof but considerate and ultimately effective.

Your expectations of political figures seem way out of kilter. You want the Empire to rip the current President. Why? You fail to give any reason, a fact or engage in logic. In that sense you are part of the mainstream political sentiment anymore. You are just acting on emotion and long on conclusion devoid of fact or reason. Look, I am not a devotee of Obama. He hasn't proven to be an effective administrator, which is, after all, the job of the President, but then I didn't harbor any real expectations of what he would do or not do. A bunch of my liberal friends are hugely disappointed in Obama. What did they expect? The guy never administered anything other than maybe a personal checking account. But of course electing anyone out of the legislative branch is often a problem given that they are in the law making branch and not the law administration branch. The skill sets acquired in the law making branch or not necessarily transferable from one branch of government to the other as it turns out.

What do you expect from your politicians? Square the actual job duties with what the politicians actually accomplish and you might actually gain some understanding about what is genuine and what is fake in politics. Until then, why don't you do yourself a favor and stop wasting time with your whining and sniveling about the Empire and all the liberals you apparently love to hate. Stick to reality, facts, logic and reason -- the cornerstones of The Enlightenment, if you want to get anything done. Anything else is just more noise and carping, something most political scenes already have in abundance to the detriment of civic life everywhere.

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Latitude58 12/27/11 - 11:33 am
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I think you had him until the end, Joe

Then you said, "Stick to reality, facts, logic and reason -- the cornerstones of The Enlightenment..."

Sorry, but you just wasted a lot of electrons on that clown. However, I found your posting to be one of the more profound that I've ever read on this rag. Thanks for that.

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J. E. Fume 12/27/11 - 12:43 pm
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Joe, Good job! I couldn't

Joe,
Good job! I couldn't have come close to saying it as well as you did.

I may sound kind of dumb with this example, but I'll give it anyway. Does anybody remember CNN Crossfire from the 80s. The hosts were Tom Braden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Braden), Bob Novak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Novak), and Pat Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan). Of the three, Buchanan was the biggest saber rattler, while Braden was the biggest pacifist. Novak was much less volatile than Pat. Read their backgrounds.

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Calypso 12/27/11 - 08:43 pm
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@joeg - I rest my case -

@joeg - I rest my case - you're absolutely an establishment RINO. I'm surprised you didn't advise me to "cross the aisle, my friend" when politics is involved.

You never did answer my question on why Palin resigned. I'll help you alittle - does Andree McLeod ring any bells? Is she back under her rock now that the mission has been accomplished? Too bad she's not in jail.

With all your defensiveness and personal attacks towards me you must be questioning exactly where you stand politically. Or are you just that special kind of Juneau republican?

Is it time to drum up another tax increase proposal for the 2012 ballot?

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