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Parnell, 3 other GOP govs sign pledge to oppose unconditional debt limit increase

Posted: July 7, 2011 - 5:59pm

JUNEAU — At least four Republican governors, including Sean Parnell, have signed a pledge urging Congress to oppose any increase in the U.S. debt limit unless certain conditions are met.

Joining Parnell in the “Cut, Cap, Balance Pledge” are Nikki Haley of South Carolina, Rick Perry of Texas and Gary Herbert of Utah.

The pledge is being promoted by what spokesman Joe Brettell called “center-right groups who wanted to see real fiscal accountability restored to Washington.” Those who sign it oppose increasing the debt limit unless substantial spending cuts are made to reduce the national deficit, he said. They also want spending caps put in place to pave the way to a balanced budget, and they want Congress to pass a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution that includes such things as a spending limit and a super-majority requirement for raising taxes.

As of Thursday, eight of the candidates competing for the Republican presidential nomination had signed the pledge, as had 12 U.S. senators and 29 U.S. representatives. That tally includes Reps. Thad McCotter of Michigan and Ron Paul of Texas, who are among the eight presidential hopefuls who have signed on.

No member of Alaska’s congressional delegation has signed the pledge. On Thursday, U.S. Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said he supported efforts to reduce spending but a failure to increase the debt ceiling would be catastrophic. In a speech on the Senate floor, he urged immediate action.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, who was returning to the state for the weekend, echoed the call to action, saying in comments released by her office that those on “the left, right and center agree on the fundamental remedy — a combination of real spending cuts and comprehensive entitlement and tax reform.”

She said she is calling on her colleagues — and committing to Alaskans to stand ready — “to set a clear, smart, realistic path for America’s future.”

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Gbessler 07/08/11 - 07:03 am
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and Sean Parnell is a foolish

and Sean Parnell is a foolish foolish little man

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jasoner 07/08/11 - 07:50 am
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seasoned budget and economic

Seasoned budget and economic experts say that the proposal is not a realistic framework and it is not likely to achieve the goals supporters of the plan believe it will.
Cutting $380 billion is about 10% of total projected federal spending in 2012 and that would cause an almost immediate economic disaster.
Capping spending at a percent of GDP doesn't make allowances for recessions or financial crises and that amending the Constitution as a way to lock in a balanced budget can create more problems than it fixes.

Bottom line Conservative right wingers are destroying this country.

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sheqelim 07/08/11 - 08:31 am
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Get back here and do your own

Get back here and do your own job, Mr. Parnell.

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amymorgan 07/08/11 - 08:42 am
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Debt Limit Increase

But evidently, to Parnell, it was ok for the Bush Administration to raise our National Debt by more than 4 TRILLON dollars during G Dub's presidency...

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Jumpstart 07/08/11 - 09:45 am
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Joe Brettell is CRC Public

Joe Brettell is CRC Public Relations

The House conservatives’ Republican Study Committee (RSC) came up with Cut, Cap, Balance to restrict spending at 18 percent of gross domestic product. Rep. Jim Jordan, the RSC chairman, told The Washington Times that his group “put the ball on the field” and “with this pledge, conservatives in the House, Senate and all across the country have now picked it up and begun to run with it.” There are 42 grass-roots groups coordinating efforts to promote the issue around the country, including Club for Growth, FreedomWorks, Tea Party Express and Let Freedom Ring. http://cutcapbalancepledge.com/news_view.php?id=16

and folks who really is Freedom works, the Tea Party Express, and these so called grass-roots groups : oh my its the billionairs Koch brothers & Rupert Murdoch. These people should be put in jail for trying to destroy this country!

Sean Parnell belongs to the self-serving, arrogant, and polluting turd club

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Calypso 07/08/11 - 09:21 am
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Hopefully, the Koch brothers

Hopefully, the Koch brothers are financing it because it takes a lot of money to "put the ball on the field".

Thank you Gov. Parnell for signing the pledge.

By the way, BO owns the economy now. Bring up Bush every chance you get, but it's just foolish now. Different time, same place. The country is broke.

And since we're throwing numbers around - Obama has added 4T to the debt in 2-1/2 years. That's more than the previous 43 administrations before him COMBINED.

Rules For Radicals says to create chaos and then to quote Rahm Emmanuel - "Never let a good crisis go to waste. You can get things accomplished that you wouldn't ordinarily beable to do."

This created crisis over the national debt ceiling is phony. There is money to pay the interest on the debt.

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Spoorprint 07/08/11 - 09:29 am
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The time to place a debt limit isn't when the country is SOL...

Uh, Gov, did it ever occur to you what would actually happen if the U.S. Government defaulted on it's financial obligations? Duh. And to think that you think you are Alaska's governor...

'The pump don't work 'cause the vandals broke the handle'

I am sorry, I cannot understand why ANY of you Alaskans voted for anybody so stupid. Over and over again.

So, What is up with that?

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Jumpstart 07/08/11 - 09:32 am
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Obama only caused the debt to

Obama only caused the debt to rise $2 trillion. And that was trying to get the deficit under control from the Bush wars and spending programs for war. Now Republicans want him to save the country on his own.

According to Steny Hoyer, Bush took office with over a Clinton $5 trillion dollar surplus and left with nearly a $12 trillion dollar debt. That is a swing of $17 trillion.

bottom line. The vast majority of our debt is caused by unfunded wars and tax cuts, and republicans refuse to either end the wars, cut military spending or raise taxes.

This means they're not serious about getting our debt under control. They're only serious about defunding programs and organizations that traditionally vote for democrats, like Planned Parenthood and unions.

Jumpstart
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Jumpstart 07/08/11 - 09:56 am
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spoorprint if you dont live

spoorprint if you dont live here, then move here and help those of us that did not vote for Sarah Palin or Sean Parnell.

alaskaguy
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alaskaguy 07/08/11 - 09:49 am
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budget ceiling

How do the richest 10% make their money? Capitol gains-taxed at 10% and dividends taxed at 15%.

My lower middle class income from actually working-taxed at 26%. If the conservatives keep killing off the middle class, who is going to mow their lawns and wax the Bentleys?

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wolfmagic2012 07/08/11 - 09:58 am
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Calypso
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Calypso 07/08/11 - 02:01 pm
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"The vast majority of our

"The vast majority of our debt is caused by unfunded wars and tax cuts."

That is a false statement. Entitlements are the cause of the debt.

alaskaguy - who pays 90+% of the taxes in this country? (cue Jeopardy music) That's right - the top 5% of earners.

In fact half of all wage earners pay no taxes. They have credits and deductions and often receive money from the government.

Give the class warfare a rest. That's not what America is about. We all should aspire to work hard and get rich because in America it used to be possible for everyone.

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Persnickety Persimmon 07/08/11 - 10:11 am
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Hi Calypso. Misinformed or

Hi Calypso. Misinformed or promoting misinformation again, I see. Hopefully after this post proves you wrong you won't promote these arguments again (ha ha).

First of all, the 50% thing was unique to 2009. Usually only 35% or so of households owe no taxes come April 15th.

Second, and more importantly, you're talking about owing taxes AT TAX TIME, not paying taxes in general. Do you have a real job? If so, then you must realize that with every paycheck, a portion is withheld for taxes. Many of us (including myself) overpay and are given a refund when we do our tax return. This does not mean the government is paying us, or that we aren't paying taxes. This is a partial refund on money we previously paid. So even though I received a refund after I submitted my return, I still paid taxes.

"The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax and ignores the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay . As a result, it greatly overstates the share of households that do not pay any federal taxes. Data from the Urban Institute-Brookings Tax Policy Center show only about 14 percent of households paid neither federal income tax nor payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[3]"

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

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BeanCountingZombie 07/08/11 - 10:21 am
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China doesn't even trust the

China doesn't even trust the US Dollar and they posses the majority of it. They are investing heavily in Silver and Gold....it is time we went back to the gold (and silver) standard. It's time to give our dollar actual value again.

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Calypso 07/08/11 - 10:23 am
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p, you're like a gnat buzzing

p, you're like a gnat buzzing around! For every "fact" you put up to refute a claim, I can find another "fact" to refute yours. But it's so endearing when you start out by calling me stupid or a liar. Shut up already.

Skip all the links too, because no one reads them and most often they aren't from reputable sources.

No, I'm not talking about tax refunds because a person has had too many taxes withheld. I'm talking about lower income earners that get deductions and receive refunds - like for dependents and childcare and other entitlements. Even the illegals do it with stolen social numbers. It's a huge cost to the government.

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bigtall 07/08/11 - 10:29 am
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Comments about Parnell

So far in this comments section, here is what's been said about Parnell:

-"Sean Parnell is a foolish foolish little man"
-"Sean Parnell belongs to the self-serving, arrogant, and polluting turd club"
-"cannot understand why ANY of you Alaskans voted for anybody so stupid"
-"help those of us that did not vote for...Sean Parnell"
-"what a complete and total Idiot"

Yeah, I'd say those are pretty good descriptions of Parnell. He was a very personable fellow when I met him and his wife on Basin Road, only a week after he took office. Wish I could say something good about his views and policies, but his actions aren't giving me the chance. Sure hope he's a one-termer!

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/08/11 - 10:30 am
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BeanCountingZombie

Please tell me you're joking. The reason we abandoned the gold standard was because it was too inflexible to work well for fiscal policy. And if we WERE to return to the gold standard, we'd have to seriously reduce the amount of money currently in circulation, which would result in some hefty deflation. And that means all of a sudden your mortgage, car payment, student loans, credit card debt--all forms of debt are suddenly higher for you. Only lenders and people with large savings (like the rich) would benefit.

Furthermore, how does gold give money "actual value"? It seems to me that the value of gold is just as artificial as that of any fiat currency. Neither have intrinsic value.

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Jumpstart 07/08/11 - 10:31 am
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Sean Parnell and Murkowski

Sean Parnell and Murkowski are in Koch brothers back pocket. This is why Parnell has worked to silence the voice of Alaskans on development issues.

and Koch brothers donated 20,000 to Murkowski they own her and the Flint Hills Refinery etc...in Fairbanks this is why murkowski and parnell are pushing oil exploration in ANWR for these two pigs.

Koch brothers are the heart of the GOP

Alaskans do you want our state run by the Koch brothers?

RECALL, when?

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/08/11 - 10:32 am
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@Calypso: "No, I'm not

@Calypso:

"No, I'm not talking about tax refunds because a person has had too many taxes withheld. I'm talking about lower income earners that get deductions and receive refunds - like for dependents and childcare and other entitlements."

Then I've just proven you wrong. Own up to it like an adult. Simply stating facts are wrong doesn't make it so, and you know it.

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bigtall 07/08/11 - 10:47 am
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Spoken like a true

Spoken like a true NeoTeaConGOP, Calypso:

-"Skip all the links [aka references] too, because no one reads them and most often they aren't from reputable sources"

Yeah, because who wants stupid things like reference articles, back-up research, and all those other wordy things that prove you wrong to get in the way.

And your exact words were, "Who pays no income tax? The bottom 50% of wage earners." C,mon, really?!?!? You're trying to tell me that half of America pays no tax whatsoever.....REALLY?!?! I know many, many, many, many, many people in the "under 50%" crowd that would sure like that income tax back that they never paid!

And before you start with the "You're wrong with your misinformed Demo, left, liberal views, and I'm right with my Right views", let me tell you that I'm neither Repub or Demo. I think political parties are stupid and are ruining this country. Sure wish politicians would put citizens before political party!

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Edjuhmuhcated 07/08/11 - 10:50 am
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Calypso

You're a D-bag with a capital D. You spit out random right-wing rhetoric with no factual basis. Then, when someone actually backs up their point of view with linked "Facts" you say:

"p, you're like a gnat buzzing around! For every "fact" you put up to refute a claim, I can find another "fact" to refute yours. But it's so endearing when you start out by calling me stupid or a liar. Shut up already.

Skip all the links too, because no one reads them and most often they aren't from reputable sources."

Let me guess, you think FoxNews is a reputable source. Its morons like yourself, Corporations, most Republicans & some Democrats, who are ruining our country and buying it out right out from under our feet...

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wolfmagic2012 07/08/11 - 10:52 am
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Persnickety-

It's evident to all that Calypso is a right-wing hack, but where do you get off upbraiding Calypso for making unfactual statements and then follow up with more of your own? Under the gold standard, gold gave fiat currency value because it was backed by gold. Your opinion that the value of gold is just as artificial as that of any fiat currency is in error. Fiat currency is backed by nothing and will be worthless, not used for commerce - were an economic melt-down to ensue. By whatever criteria that sets the price or 'value' of gold, it is still gold, and will be accepted by all as a means of exchange, when fiat currency will be refused. Gold and silver were the standard for thousands of years, and will be again.

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sheqelim 07/08/11 - 11:05 am
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Being in the lower 50th

Being in the lower 50th percentile of wage-earners myself, I can assure you all that I pay my taxes.

The median income is 45,000. Whether you agree with my politics or not, you can admit that it is foolish to say that noone making less than 45 grand a year pays income tax.

Persnickety Persimmon
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Persnickety Persimmon 07/08/11 - 11:08 am
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Currency backed by gold isn't

Currency backed by gold isn't fiat currency. Fiat currency is what we and most every other nation use today--a system of currency which we all decide has value, but has no intrinsic value of its own. Like gold, which is just a metal (and up until very recently, a useless metal except for ornamentation).

Were an economic crisis to occur--say, a catastrophic collapse of our petroleum infrastructure--we would likely work out a barter system for essential goods and services. Not gold. Gold is useless in an emergency. There isn't even enough gold to go around.

When money is valued according to the price of gold, the government can do very little to ease or encourage economic situations. It can't issue more money to ease economic conditions, because the number of dollars in circulation is fixed to the value of gold. It can't retire currency without replacing it. It has to keep gold on hand for exchange. And boy, if speculation or any kind of manipulation affects the price of gold, or if there's a sudden influx of gold onto the market, then there is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent a loss of value to the dollar.

Plus, our money supply is greater than the world's gold supply. As I said, were we to adopt the gold standard, you'd owe a LOT more on your house, car, credit cards, and any other kind of debt. The benefactors would be lenders and the rich.

Calypso
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Calypso 07/08/11 - 02:18 pm
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"Who pays no income tax? The

"Who pays no income tax? The bottom 50% of wage earners."

Ok, I misspoke just a little. The bottom 50% actually pay around 3% of all income taxes.

However, it is true that 50% of all wage earners do not pay any income tax.

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

Cute, ed, feel better now?

wolf, I don't consider myself a hack. I do have conservative views however, which doesn't make me better or worse than you. Certainly name calling is quite immature, however.

sheqelim - you're mixing apples and oranges. No one mentioned percentile or median income.

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Persnickety Persimmon 07/08/11 - 02:37 pm
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Hi Calypso. The bottom 60%

Hi Calypso.

The bottom 60% (since I don't have figures for 50%) pays 22.2% of all taxes. The bottom 40% pays 10.6%. Once again, you aren't taking actual taxes paid into account--only what people owe come tax time. Federal payroll withholdings. We've had them since probably before you were born (just guessing). You should read up on them.

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2010.pdf

You just keep hammering that square peg into a round hole, though.

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Calypso 07/08/11 - 08:27 pm
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"Federal payroll

"Federal payroll withholdings." That's exactly what I'm talking about, p.

You're the one that threw in the whole kitchen sink of taxes. Shouldn't we consider "fees" (as the left so cleverly likes to call taxes) too? What about car registration, license fees, etc. Those are really just taxes.

Your liberal Citizens For Tax Justice doesn't cut it with me for a decent link. I'll trust The Heritage Foundation or the National Taxpayers Union.

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Spoorprint 07/08/11 - 11:05 pm
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The Gubernatorial Default Process... (The Goober's thing)

It's a goober!

First we have Frank Murkowski. (well not first, but...) ...after a long degrading term, he finally implodes altogether and we hear of a creative 'responsible government!' soundbite from elsewhere and we default from Frank to Sarah, SO relieved just to be rid of Frank, who made his daughter a Senator just to 'keep it in the family'... So - then we get Sarah and watch her ego inflate like a hot air weather balloon, until a time when we get to snicker and watch in awe over a glass of wine while she winks at us over the big screen during the V.P. debates. She eventually implodes altogether and then we gleefully default on to Parnell, SO relieved to be rid of Sarah. Then somebody (I don't know who, do you?) 'somebody' was so enamored with him they elected him for a term of his very own. Ya, I admit the electoral choices were not very gratifying, but who else in Alaska has a sanitary enough background to run for public office? Not me. Any one of my old girlfriends has enough spice to spoil the whole dish...

Anyway,

By the time Parnell is done making silly statements, telling the feds to 'shove off, and leave Alaska alone!' - and making goofy appointments, we will be SO relieved to have just about anybody else default into office, which is just what got us into this mess in the first place.

Sheesh!

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madison89 07/09/11 - 06:05 am
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The bottom line is BO's

Unpublished

The bottom line is BO's unemployment rate is at 9.2%, & our national debt is going to bankrupt us if we do not get a handle on washington's out of control, welfare state spending .

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wmolson 07/09/11 - 04:09 pm
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After due consideration

I think that perhaps the best thing that could happen now is that the debt ceiling is not raised and that the entire federal government be shut down, and not allowed to borrow 30% of our spending from other nations.
On the conditions that:
All salaries and benefits for the President, Congress and government agencies and all of their staffs be terminated immediately upon the shutdown of the nation.

I think that would be a wake-up call to all those "public servants," that the servants are on unpaid leave until they
serve the people

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