JUNEAU — The group behind a massive copper and gold prospect near a world premier salmon fishery has released what has been billed as “one of the most exhaustive environmental study programs in the history of U.S. mineral development.”
The Pebble Limited Partnership, in some 27,000 pages of data and analysis, purports to provide an in-depth look at the environmental and social conditions in southwest Alaska’s Bristol Bay region. Pebble Vice President for Environment Ken Taylor said the data, as well as ongoing studies, are critical for monitoring and ensuring that the Pebble Mine project does not alter the pristine environment.
The work has been dismissed by some environmentalists, fishermen and others as bought-and-paid-for science that should be viewed as tilted in favor of development. Taylor said this is a standard response from opponents and is “ridiculous.” He said some consultants who helped Pebble also do work for federal agencies and that they’re credible, objective scientists.
But this isn’t the first time concerns have been raised about Pebble’s study process.
Correspondence between state and federal agencies, obtained through a public records request by Trout Unlimited and provided to The Associated Press, shows frustration and sometimes doubt about the working groups Pebble established to provide expertise as the project moves toward the permitting phase.
“The current process is beneficial to Pebble Partners. However, the process is not beneficial to the Agencies,” according to minutes from what was called the fish technical working group in a Jan. 9, 2008 meeting. “Pebble Partners need to provide additional information for the process to be useful to the Agencies.”
“This is getting to be a huge time sink for agencies and at this point it does not seem like a good use of our time,” Phil Brna, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Biologist, wrote in an email to working group colleagues on Dec. 23, 2008.
“It’s virtually impossible to provide substantive review comments when (Pebble) doesn’t disclose more details of their development plans and their contractors only occasionally share snippets of the data they’ve collected,” Ted Otis, of the Alaska Fish and Game Department, said in response to Brna’s message.
The state Department of Natural Resources helped set up an interagency steering committee to guide the scope of and address concerns raised by the working groups. Working group meetings began in mid-2007, when some studies were already under way, and they continued until January 2010, when Pebble ended the effort.
There were warnings of possible defections just months into the effort. The Army Corps of Engineers announced it would no longer participate in the working groups in January 2009, citing lack of information.
In an interview, Brna said the agencies felt like Pebble was not really answering their questions. He said the agencies were never even able to sort out with Pebble the questions that should be addressed.
“It’s one thing to have sufficient information for permitting. It’s another thing to have sufficient information to study the effects of a mine over time, over the life of the mine,” he said. “And we felt we needed to do both of those.”
“I’m sure some of the stuff for ground water, there’s probably not any better ground water data anywhere, or some of the surface water stuff, or the chemical constituents in the water or the rock, all that stuff is probably pretty amazing,” Brna said. “But when it comes to some of the fish stuff, I think that’s when the agencies have more concern.”
Kate Harper, with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, said each agency has its priorities, and people with different expertise have certain things they’d like to see. She said Fish and Game must decide what it believes is necessary for Pebble to address.
The Pebble project has been the subject of a heated PR battle for years. Supporters say it would bring much-needed jobs to economically-depressed rural Alaska but opponents fear it could fundamentally change the landscape and disrupt if not destroy a way of life. Some of Pebble’s own ads simply urge a “factual” conversation about the project.
The mine is a joint venture of Canada-based Northern Dynasty Minerals Ltd. and Anglo American plc of the United Kingdom.
The companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars scoping the deposit, which Pebble, on its website, calls one of the large deposits of its kind in the world with the potential of producing 80.6 billion pounds of copper, 107.4 million ounces of gold and 5.6 billion pounds of molybdenum over decades.
Taylor called the deposit “a strategic national resource,” saying the U.S. imports about 40 percent of its copper. The mine would be above Iliamna Lake, the largest producer of sockeye salmon in the world. Taylor said he’d be “gone in a heartbeat” if anything came up showing the project couldn’t be developed in an environmentally responsible way.
Taylor, who was hired in 2008, said he thinks the biggest frustration among working group members was the lack of a project description, include details on where infrastructure like a mill or tailing facility would be.
“They were ready to say, ‘OK, let’s see what you’re going to do, and we’ll see if you have the right information or if you’re studies are focused on the right things.’ It was very difficult for them to meet month after month, year after year, without having anything in front of them,” he said in an interview.
Without that information, he said, it was “hard for them to figure out” what the impacts would be and what needed to be mitigated.
Taylor said it’s possible the project could advance to the permitting phase as early as this year, and a full project description would surely come then.
Doug Limpinsel, a biologist with NOAA Fisheries who was involved in the working group process, said one of his biggest unanswered questions is: How many fish are going to be removed?
Limpinsel said it would be a great gesture if Pebble, which spent a reported $150 million compiling the report, spent another $100 million building off that with agency input.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is also conducting a baseline watershed assessment, a draft of which it plans to release in late April. Agencies also will again review Pebble’s studies to determine if they’re sufficient once it applies for permits.
“With Pebble, everybody can be confident there will be a pretty rigorous review of that information,” said Tom Crafford, the director of project management and permitting for the state Department of Natural Resources.
Lindsey Bloom, a program manager with Trout Unlimited, said the state has never rejected a large mining project, and it will be relying on Pebble’s own studies, going back to the company if it needs more information. Bloom and others say one has to question whether Pebble’s work can be trusted.
Said Taylor, “We’re not encouraging people to support us at this point. There’s nothing to support. Wait until there’s a project out, and let it go through the process.”





Comments (22)
Add commentIf it's such a national resource
Why are companies from Canada and the U.K. developing it?
Will not benefit Alaskans
Most Alaskans agree that the risks are not worth it.
Most of us will not benefit, but also stand to suffer.
Pebble Mine will benefit the company who creates it. The out-of-state imported workers will benefit [and then leave], a FEW regular Alaskans will benefit [low-skilled labor], some of the less-than-moral Alaskan politicians will benefit [$$$], and that's it.
The potential for disaster is very real...disaster that would affect us ALL.
It's just not worth it.
Drilling in ANWR --- worth it. Why? The risks are much lower.
Pebble Mine --- NOT worth the risk.
Sean Parnell has made sure
Sean Parnell has made sure that Alaskans cannot trust the State of Alaska because he lies to Alaskans while representing his special interest groups.
This mine is all about special interests and wealth creation. And this mine is a symbol of whats wrong with our country. Look at the disparity in wealth that it will create.
Billions of dollars will go to a few people and who pays the price for that? The public does and our future generations will.
Not only Alaskans, but people everywhere have to stand up and say NO to mega mines.
How will the ore be transported?
Assuming it goes out by barge somehow. Then off to China for processing, just like the Kensington ore?
"National resource" my ear.
Concerns?
Concerns? Really? Has there even been a time in Alaska where environmental wackjobs didn't continuously spout "concerns" about anything other than pot-growing farms? While conservatives are constantly harangued for "facts," liberal peons are only required to show "concerns," to spout grandiose claims such as "most are against it" or "it's not worth it." To whom? These environmental morons will still be complaining about "concerns" when Alaska has once again receded back to the time of Russian explorers due to a lack of ability to reasonably produce much needed natural resources.
I try a response
@ Latitude58 - the mining industry has a great deal of risk associate with it, so junior companies look to discover mineral deposits so they can then sell or partner with larger development companies. By the time large mining companies get involved, they tend to be multi-national firms. They tend to be non-US firms for various reasons ranging from tax structures to global markets.
@ middleoftheroad - I think you under-sell the potential benefits. I agree Pebble represents risks, but Alaska has other open pit mines with good environmental records (e.g. fort knox). Pebble will develop state subserface lands, wich will generate mineral royalties to the state just like oil does, so similarly Pebble will benefit all Alaskan's by funding state services and programs.
@anfister - what's wrong with generating wealth in our country? Responsibly developing our natural resources is one of the few ways to do that. The alternative is borrowing money from other countries or selling services to other countries, which really is just transfering wealth, not creating it. I would rather develope our country's natural resources where I'm confident that they will be developed in a responsible manner and have a better chance of generating and maintaining wealth in the US.
Back @ Latitude58 - if China buys the right to process the ore, then fine. The mine developers aren't giving it to them for free. The state makes it's money when the mineral is removed from the ground. Everything after that is driven by global markets.
my $0.02. I for one, look forward to being able to review the project discription for Pebble during the public review process. Until then, I'm going to hold judgment. But I enjoy the discussion :-)
Youknowjuneau - Mining
Youknowjuneau -
Mining royalties are far less than they are for oil. I think its 3%.
Also this is public land & public resources that are being used to create wealth for private industry and shareholders. There will be no equity here; in fact this mine will work to increase disparity.
Also our Public Services and Environmental Protections are all being scaled back.
Just look up Don Young's H.R. 517 bill that he introduced if you think our state has good intentions about Environmental Protections and our fisheries. His bill is designed to repeal EPA's authority regarding Water Pollution and it would give control to our state over the toxic waste disposal from the pebble mine. I think we all know this is bad news for our fisheries and public health.
On top of all of this we have the social and cultural implications not to mention the distruction of an entire fisheries and then some.
2012 elections is a time to vote out special interests
Uninformed and insulting, Anfister!
First, looking at the DCED website it appears that the State's mining tax is 7% on market value, plus an additional 3% royalty if on State land. Better to "know" than to "think."
Second, why would you in effect slander the many biologists, environmental scientists and other degreed professionals in our Alaskan regulatory agencies? Judging from their comments in this article, I'm sure they hold the integrity of our pristine environments equally if not more dearly than you do. Why in the world would you think a federal scientist from Washington D.C. trumps an Alaskan one that lives here, knows the area and is in a better position to incorporate the local knowledge of Native Alaskans and other long-time users of the land?
Media - I am not slandering
Media - I am not slandering our biologists & scientists and the permit is not up to them, is it.
If you are following the Pebble Mine you will see that our Governor has been doing what he can to stand in the way of the Democratic process in Alaska and not listening to the concerns from Alaskans about this mine.
Deflection is not discourse, Anfister
Deflection is not discourse, Anfister.
You opened the door by expressing concern with Don Young's bill to relinquish federal oversight to state regulators, claiming that act alone will have negative impacts to public health and fisheries without saying why.
Then you add fuel to the fire by insinuating that the Governor in some way can influence or override evaluations made by those State regulators if they decide the Pebble Project is a no-go.
You've left the ending question in my last post unanswered -- why should we defer to federal regulators and scientists over those from the State?
Note: if you happen to be one of those federal employees, then fess up on the blog so readers can take that into account!
And as to the best source of information, at least I'm looking! :-)
Medai - I was just trying to
Medai - I was just trying to get at the info on the DNR web site but its not responding. I was trying to post a link, to it. But DNR is really the better of the 2.
Also the Royalty is based on "net" not only this but to lease the land is only around $1.50 an acre.
You should also read Don Young's bill. I think its horrible
I believe in oversight and that we need epa.
I have to go.
youknowjuneau
Thanks for the responses. I was referring to this quote from Pebble's Taylor:
"Taylor called the deposit “a strategic national resource,” saying the U.S. imports about 40 percent of its copper."
Since the ore, which will be extracted by foreign companies, and will likely be sold to the highest bidder, foreign or not...I think it's somewhat disingenuous to try to link it to the amount of copper we import.
Shipping out raw ore to China might help our balance of trade a little bit, but I don't see it being anything 'patriotic', nor significant for our national security interests.
What Mr. Taylor was doing qualifies as 'spin' in my book.
Thanks for the clarification Lat58
I can see were you could consider that quote from Taylor as spin. I personally think that developing our nation's natural resources contributes to national security -- from an economic security stand point. I suppose I could get on my soap box and make an argument that economic security contributes to patriotism, but then I might be flirting with spin myself at that point :-) Thanks for the clarification.
As for anfister, I think mediawatchdog handled that one well.
Anfister is right on.
Anfister is right on.
YKJ
"developing our nation's natural resources..."
I guess I don't view the extraction of a natural resource, by a foreign company, shipped out in raw form to another foreign country, to be 'development'.
It's extraction, nothing more. Could just as easily be in some Third World country.
Taylor was spinning. And so are you.
The area where the proposed mine is located already appears to be fully developed...as a fish spawning factory.
I'm not completely opposed to the mine, but I think the comments by the various agency officials are pretty telling regarding Pebble's tactics.
Each state with their own set
Each state with their own set of regulations for water quality? Lets hope not.
Because not every state and not every Governor has the same concerns about what is dumped into our waterways but all Americans have the right to have clean water, clean air etc.. and so this is why we have Federal Regulations and oversight. This certainly makes me feel better.
I also think that clean water, our Nations dwindling water supply and climate change are bigger National Security concerns for us than developing our resources.
And most people would probably agree that protecting our waterways is a sign of patriotism.
What's the rush?
Why are we in such a rush to have a foreign company develop these resources? I don't think shipping them to China (or whoever the highest bidder may be) can be a reason to claim for this improving our national security. These minerals are not going anywhere, why don't we just wait for when we actually need them? I am sure by the time we actually need these minerals we will have the technology to get all of this out of the ground with respect to the even greater importance that the surrounding habitat has to the Bristol Bay fishery. Heck, I bet by then the price will be even higher than it is now...
What is foreign?
Lat, Doug and Jet, you keep harping on "foreign companies" without exploring the facts behind your assertions.
Non-degreed mining occupations are not on the NAFTA approved TN visa list, so the production and maintenance jobs must be held by Americans or green card holders.
The social and economic impacts to local residents are huge, regardless of ownership, as shown by the Greens Creek Mine which was "foreign owned" until four or five years ago.
Finally, you must realize that courtesy of its Alaska International Workers Program, the seafood industry's 58% non-resident hire is largely infused with foreign workers on temporary work permits.
You can decry "foreign ownership" but I don't think the tens of thousands of US citizens employed by BP, Toyota and Sony in US-based facilities will agree with you!
Rubbish
If this wasn't a mine you're promoting, you would be decrying foreign companies taking business away from U.S. companies. We both know that.
And to point at other foreign companies doing business here to justify yet another one... hmmm.
Foreign companies, foreign processors...those may just be realities of the mining business. But don't try to spin this as developing 'strategic national resources'.
Same problem Lat...
Assumption and deflection, Lat -- and fairly poorly done at that!
"Strategic resource" assertions were never contained in my posts. My most recent offering to you was specific to employment ramifications, which you appear to be unwilling, unable or afraid to confront.
For example, the Red Dog Mine is Canadian owned, yet it employs hundreds of Native Alaskan shareholders and contributes tens of millions of dollars to all regional Native corporations through 7(i) revenue sharing.
By the way, I'm truly neither for or against Pebble at this point, because I haven't seen what they have planned or heard what Alaskan regulators have to say about that plan. If you'd ever served on a jury, you'd know that's a much better approach to use before recommending a verdict.
Pot calling Kettle black
Ironic criticism of the potential for a flawed decision making process. The Obstructionist Greenies wrote the book on tainted science.
When credible objective scientists don't support the obstruction agenda, the Greenies will invent, low quality, dull, arguments, with lack of true as the main theme.