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'Stand your ground' bill passes House

Posted: March 21, 2013 - 12:07am

JUNEAU — Alaska’s latest “stand your ground” bill has passed the House of Representatives.

HB24, by Rep. Mark Neuman, would remove certain criteria that people must meet before they have a right to use deadly force as a means of self-defense.

Today, Alaskans are allowed to take lethal action if they reasonably believe it is necessary to save their life or protect themselves against certain violent crimes. However, a person isn’t allowed to use such force if they know they can avoid it by leaving the area — unless they are in their home, workplace or protecting a member of that person’s household.

The Big Lake Republican’s bill would remove the duty to retreat for people who are in “any place where they have the right to be.”

“You have the right to defend yourself in your home,” Neuman said. “Why shouldn’t you be able to carry those rights to anywhere you have a right to be?”

Proponents of the bill argue that innocent, provoked Alaskans don’t have time to process and consider the legal nuances of their decisions in a split-second, life-or-death situation. The expanded self-defense rights would not apply to people who are trespassing or are involved in felonious or gang activity.

The bill passed 33-5, with Rep. Lindsey Holmes, R-Anchorage, joining four minority Democrats in the vote against.

One of them, Rep. Andy Josephson, said that the bill could complicate the prosecution of gang violence, though the freshman Democrat from Anchorage said his biggest worry was regarding errant bullets hitting innocent bystanders.

“Some people are just a bad aim,” Josephson said. “Even though I like the concept of ‘stand your ground,’ I don’t know that we can contain the flying metal.”

Rep. Charisse Millett, R-Anchorage, issued a notice of reconsideration, meaning the bill will be re-voted on during the House’s next floor session Friday. Millett’s office said she issued the notice so those who voted against the measure will have a chance to reconsider their votes.

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Latitude58
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Latitude58 03/21/13 - 04:02 am
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Alaska

Ten years behind America.

asherlev13
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asherlev13 03/21/13 - 06:35 am
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Stand by...

... Here they come. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! It'll be wild west days. Blood will flow in the streets. Global warming will quadruple! And I'll probably stub my toe tonight. All because this proposed bill.

Here they come... Predictable as always.

curtis
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curtis 03/21/13 - 06:55 am
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Nays: Drummond, Guttenberg,

Nays: Drummond, Guttenberg, Holmes, Josephson, Kerttula

Really Beth? Someone is trying to kill, rape, or cause bodily harm and you have the means to defend yourself and you want a person to run away? Shouldn't the criminal run away?

Tikitime
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Tikitime 03/21/13 - 07:11 am
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Curtis, amen

Its not just right to "stand your ground" in these instances that you have pointed out, but next to impossible to run away from them. If it were easy to run away, then most rapes would not happen.

glacierdogs
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glacierdogs 03/21/13 - 07:16 am
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Liberals don't get it.

A major firearms manufacturer is now writing Come and Take Them, in Greek, on the side of their 1911's (their .45 autos as designed by John Browning in 1905). We trust ourselves, and with history on our side we don't trust government to protect us or take care of us. Those who tell us we can only be safe if we give up our freedom most likely want to kill us, and you only need look at the news or read history to believe that. We have a White House that won't even agree that it will not use drones to kill Americans who have never been convicted of anything, but still the liberals stick with Obama and want him to take our guns.

So thank you to Representative Neuman for being so persistent with this bill, and thank you to every legislator who voted for it. This legislation allows law-abiding Alaskans to stay alive, and therefore it is at least one thousand times more important than any legislation related to oil and money!

send9line
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send9line 03/21/13 - 07:18 am
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what?

have there been rash of AKs being murder or maimed because they could not defend themselves under exisiting laws? is this boutique legislation tailored to pander or meaningful legislation to address a peristent problem?

Elva Bontrager
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Elva Bontrager 03/21/13 - 07:26 am
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I do not agree.

"...kill, rape, or cause bodily harm" is already covered without the new bill. The Stand Your Ground issue is fraught with accidents waiting to happen.

bfranklin1776
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bfranklin1776 03/21/13 - 07:33 am
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The hard left opposes this

The hard left opposes this legislation for one simple reason, it endangers the perps, i.e. their voters.

orionsbow1
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orionsbow1 03/21/13 - 07:49 am
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I've always had that right

THough never so magnanimously "appointed" to me by lawyers and lawmakers. The right to defend oneself is infused in every living organism's DNA. Even plants have ways to defend themselves when threatened and yet they have no legislature to "allow" them to do it. When threatened with death or bodily harm, my first course and only course of action is to survive the assault. Let the lawyers figure it out after that.

kpawsuh
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kpawsuh 03/21/13 - 08:20 am
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Didnt need the legislature to

Didnt need the legislature to tell me to do that...

glacierdogs
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glacierdogs 03/21/13 - 08:26 am
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Kpaw

You're right that we already knew to do that but we need this legislation to tell the Alaska attorney class - the attorneys, the assistant attorneys general and the judges that we CAN do it. Even though this legislation is supported by Governor Parnell the attorneys in the Department of Law do not support it because they are part of the attorney class that would have all of us entirely dependent upon government for our safety and even for our very lives.

send9line
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send9line 03/21/13 - 08:30 am
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by the numbers

between 2007-2011 there were approximatley 1237 violent deaths reported in AK. 62 percent were suicide. 15 percent were a combination of homicide and legal intervention (i.e. police action). the remainder were accidents or undetermined.

with regard to violent gun deaths. approximatley 70 percent were suicide and 17 percent homicide/legal intervention. the rest accidents or undetermined.

no pun intended, but where would AK get the most legislative bang for the buck if it is looking to prevent violent deaths?

kjashen
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kjashen 03/21/13 - 08:44 am
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it was

already in law, now it just means some of you rightwing nutcases can blast someone and then hide behind "stand your ground" as a defense for murder. All those who demand this should look and actually READ existing statute. This was not needed and is a waste of legislative time and money, not to mention the possibility of someone dying for no good reason over this. Just hope it isn't someone close to you. Remember not to wear a hoodie when leaving the house!!!

cheeesypoof
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cheeesypoof 03/21/13 - 08:48 am
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what the...

why? Seriously... why? What particular instance is Neuman using as an example for why we need this? Where is the public outcry for "stand your ground"? How does this help society? The best solution under any circumstance is to avoid violence. This makes armed people more confrontational without any backlash. You can start a fight knowing you have a weapon of deadly force, feel the need to use it, use it, and walk away. This is stupid. There is no need for this.

aynrand
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aynrand 03/21/13 - 08:56 am
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Needed a Gun

If Trevon Martin had a gun to protect himself from the bad guy with a gun he would still be alive according to Wayne LaPierre.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 03/21/13 - 09:02 am
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when

seconds count, help is only minutes away.......if you're lucky.

cheeesypoof
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cheeesypoof 03/21/13 - 09:17 am
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isldandhopper,

What relevance to this issue does that slogan have? Seriously, this bill doesn't prevent you from protecting yourself in a life or death situation. This bill protects armed citizens who unnecessarily use deadly force in a confrontation. Keyword, "unnecessary"... as in help is not necessary.

Wink Dinkerson
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Wink Dinkerson 03/21/13 - 09:53 am
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What a bunch of yahoos

We have in our legislature. Congratulations, guys, on finding a solution to a nonexistent problem.

Socrates
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Socrates 03/21/13 - 10:03 am
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Jesus

Just a reminder to those who consider themselves to be Christians/followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ. There is NOTHING in the New Testiment that says you can kill/hurt someone just because you are afraid they might kill/hurt you. In fact there is nothing in there that says you can kill/hurt them even if they DO kill/hurt you or someone you love (the word for that is vigilantism). If you can find something in the Bible, especially the New Testiment, that I am missing, PLEASE POST.

If you are a Christian, "not committing murder" and your eternal soul are supposed to be a priority over your bodily safety. And yes, it is still murder even if the person you kill is a "bad" person.

kjashen
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kjashen 03/21/13 - 10:12 am
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benfranklin1776

I would hazard a bet that if asked most criminals/perps would consider themselves conservative/right wing, not many liberals end up with a life of crime. We are to smart and educated.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 03/21/13 - 10:13 am
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cheesey

Scenario I'm walking my cat late one evening in December, it's dark & no ones around. (They may be lighting eagan dr, but where my house is there's limited street lights.) So I ask you please define unnecessary, is it rape, being assaulted by multiple attackers, or just one mugger that’s got a knife? Should I train my cat to attack on command? Blow my whistle & hope someone comes to help? Use my cell phone to call for help? Pull out my 357 & ask do you feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
I'd prefer the last option & if the punk did (feel lucky) he's done, more than likely he'd run as .criminals are notoriously cowards.

kjashen
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kjashen 03/21/13 - 10:18 am
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well islandhopper

that scenario is already covered in statute, how about some guy walking home behind you, his hood up cause it is cold and snowing, sees his house ahead and speeds up to get inside....you fear for your life turn and fire and an innocent man just trying to get home to a warm fireplace is dead. With no repercussions to you...cause you "stood your ground", sounds effed up to me.

kjashen
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kjashen 03/21/13 - 10:18 am
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well islandhopper

that scenario is already covered in statute, how about some guy walking home behind you, his hood up cause it is cold and snowing, sees his house ahead and speeds up to get inside....you fear for your life turn and fire and an innocent man just trying to get home to a warm fireplace is dead. With no repercussions to you...cause you "stood your ground", sounds effed up to me.

send9line
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send9line 03/21/13 - 10:21 am
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ok this comment stream . . .

. . . has gone to hell. We got Jesus saying we should take a bullet, someone saying liberals are to "smart and educated" to be criminals, and clint eastwood walking his cat down eagan.

and we wonder why we have morons representing us in this state.

islander
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islander 03/21/13 - 10:27 am
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Stand your ground

already exist in those cases where you are in eminent danger. Those posting otherwise need to read the story with some intensity.

Any change is not going to grant you a legal stance of protecting yourself or others without your having to show there was an eminent threat. So don't reload and expect you'll be able to take on all those whose finger is waving in your direction as they pass you on roadway.

The change proposed is another of the vague issues attorneys like. Nothing in the change implies you do not have to prove your actions were necessary. A jury is gong to decide things on more than a simple one line law.

isldandhopper
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isldandhopper 03/21/13 - 10:26 am
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kjashen

Good point one I had not considered. Don't think I could live with myself if I'd done that.

orionsbow1
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orionsbow1 03/21/13 - 10:50 am
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Bible?

I surprised Socrates referred to the bible to make his point. I know of no other reference or doctrine that would have more killing in it.

fdubzOU
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fdubzOU 03/21/13 - 11:08 am
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send9line

This is legislation to protect your rights. You now have the choice of trying to flee, or defending yourself. It's up to you.

I always love the "well, is X happening so much that we need this?" Just because a problem isn't readily visible, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and will never exist.

al97ct
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al97ct 03/21/13 - 11:14 am
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Helll lets just all pack guns

Helll lets just all pack guns around who give a flying piece of crap poop anymore the whole freaking world is going to helll-

If you can't beat them join them so I'm going to start packing - by the way I feel my life is being put in jepordy with all the firework bombs going off near my place so watch out folks I am protecting my rights if your bombs stray on my property I will fire back to protect my propert, pets and family!

fdubzOU
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fdubzOU 03/21/13 - 11:13 am
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al97ct

Welcome aboard. I would advise you to take a firearms safety and training course. As long as you're responsible and safe, you will not have any problems. I'm always happy to see someone become a responsible gun owner.

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